Tech Talk | Net Neutrality and the Future of the Internet

Tech Talk | Net Neutrality and the Future of the Internet


well right now is everything is equal
for the most part everyone’s gonna pay the same to offer content
everyone’s gonna pay the same to to use that content there’s different plans for
network access available you know depending on on your area but other than
that everything is about the same right now and I think if we let it get to the
point where everything it has an oversight then you know there’s a lot of
opportunities for people to limit not only what we can see but how we see it
and how much we pay to see those individual things so what I’m hearing
you say is that you’re for leaving our neutrality in place as it is no
definitely yeah yeah I I don’t see any reason to have
any type of oversight on what we do how we do it and how much of it we do on the
Internet okay well but to kind of counteract that
point what I’m hear you say is you don’t want oversight but then we have
government oversight on the network neutrality by having that law in place is that it almost seems like it’s kind
of a two-sided piece so we have oversight but it would prevent oversight
yeah I mean the net neutrality is more of a standard right now okay it’s it’s
not being enforced by anyone it’s not being policed by anyone and not sure how
it affects other countries but from what I’ve read it’s we’re mostly talking
about the FCC which is a United States entity and the Internet is all over the
world the world wide web covers the world so how are can you have that type
of regulation in one country and not in others so now you’re talking about a
worldwide problem that the u.s. really shouldn’t be involved in right and so
there’s a lot of lines that need to be crossed and I’m not sure that a lot of
the people in our current government have the ability to talk to the other
countries in a way that that makes them understand what we’re trying to do in our country
well I also think that a lot of people in our government don’t understand what
most of the internet is where does that’s why I’m so not to put too much of
a political opinion out there but I feel like that’s both sides of the aisle I
think most people think the internet is just a series of tubes I’ve been wanting
to get that out there sorry I couldn’t help myself
thank you Sam I really appreciate that now I’m Matthew what do you give us your
short opinion on what you think net neutrality what it boils down to is that
if you remove the net neutrality or everything is equal and all that kind of
stuff you can open it up to censorship just because this internet provider
doesn’t like what that one person is saying type of a thing or company yeah
I mean it’s gonna affect the big businesses bottom line and it’s gonna
affect the personal opinions of people one of the arguments for net neutrality
comes along that they can just say this content isn’t view viewable on this ISP
simply because they disagree with that person’s point of view that company’s
political stance etc. in all fairness
internet neutrality is actually a fairly new concept the internet had no legislation or anything to govern it for
many years when it after it was first released and such whatever you want to
call it and I know a lot of people like well when that was the case you know
there was no problems and such well there’s a reason that neutrality
was introduced its because it became such a large part of people’s lives there’s so
much information on the internet that is more or less essential at this point
sure to most people especially in the United States that giving the ability to
limit it based on what internet provider you can you know afford or what
packaged like a cable TV package they could say you get these websites but not
these websites unless you pay for this package and that limits a lot of
information sure which could cause serious problems no I completely agree
it’s definitely not something that’s this is definitely not an easy subject I
was actually had lunch with a couple of friends or colleagues that worked for a
master agent and what what a master agent does is they provide or they help
us provide internet for our clients but he had a really interesting analogy
which is almost pro removing net neutrality and his example was so
building a car that all your friends are allowed to drive at any given time but
you may not be allowed you basically can’t control it and that’s to some
extent how the internet has been built so some of these large nationwide
carriers have these massive backbones and they built it to provide traffic to
their customers but as a result they’re just basically required to do the exact
same thing for everyone and they’re not allowed to do what they want to do with
their infrastructure but I definitely see this potentially
impacting our clients especially as more and more people go to the cloud because
now let’s say you’re with charter and if you want to be able to get to Microsoft
Azure you have to buy their express route and so now you’re buying an extra
service in order to get there fast enough
how do you see this impacting our clients over the next year or so if this
went through well there’s I mean there’s no crystal ball there’s no there’s no way
to tell right if if something like that’s going to be repealed when it’s
going to be repealed and what the rules are gonna be you know on paper sure once
all that happens so it’s hard to say how it affects the average corporate client
I I would think that a lot of our small business clients are going to be in a
position where most of them aren’t media consumers sure most of them are using
business services I would imagine that on that level a lot of our business
customers are going to be offered similar business packages to what they
have now sure allow them to email allow them to
get to you know the things that they need will it reduce or increase the
pricing for that I would imagine it would increase the pricing because
there’s more legwork that needs to be done to make sure that the
infrastructure is tailored to that environment that so I like to think
about the small guys you know I like to think about the people that are down on
their luck that need to find a job right that can walk into a library and post
their resume and apply for jobs on Craigslist and apply for jobs on
LinkedIn and apply for jobs on Facebook and you know can get
out there in a in a very broad way once that oversight starts happening a lot of
those options may not be available or they might be available but just
painfully slow yeah I mean I like to think about the the parents that need a
babysitter and they can go out there’s different
options for them to find those resources sure by limiting things by establishing
traffic lanes you’re you’re taking that that beauty of the internet way of having a
large ocean to fish from sure Matt you have any I more or less what
Sam said it’s that it has the potential to remove that freedom sure as I was
saying earlier information and such some people will argue that you know no
company’s going to shoot themselves in the foot by you know limiting it and
such but companies do it all the time sure I mean and not only companies but
consumers you know and they say oh we’re not going to go with this company
because XYZ well unfortunately there’s so many people out there consuming so
much a lot of these companies it doesn’t really affect them and it said you know
while doing this one thing may you know force a bunch of people away from them
at the same time it may make a bunch of people flock to them well not to mention
the government right the larger corporations have as many people to
please not not as many but have people to please in the government just like
they have to please their stockholders and their and their consumers
right so keeping those people happy is going to be very important the bigger
the company gets the more they’re gonna want to keep those those type of people
happy which is gonna lean their policies and procedures towards that the
legislature whatever they they pass to control the content so it’s hard to say
what your legislation would go in place to you know it’s possible that it’s like
right now net neutrality is all traffic is equal sure it’s possible that if
current net neutrality is removed they could put in legislation that says okay
you can charge creators of content more based on how much bandwidth and such
they use but you can’t charge but you can’t block the internet sure you can’t
stop access to those creators you can only
charge them more because people access their stuff more part of where I see the
real flaws of removing that neutrality is that there’s just not general
availability not everyone in the US has access to multiple providers not
everyone in the US has access to the same level of speed you know they talk
about high speed internet and a lot of places are still on dial-up or all they
can get is like satellite and so I think that’s really what we’re running into
some issues where you have such such a huge monopoly you start having you know
charter and spectrum and or spectrum Comcast Verizon all that sort of thing
where they have such a massive control over your ability to get internet that
removing net neutrality would really you can’t vote with your dollar by going
anywhere else and I think that’s probably them probably my single biggest
concern about them or repealing that neutrality is just that I can’t go to
somebody else I don’t have you know five ISPs you know on net at my building to
just go to the one that’s actually gonna give me the best service well you don’t
right now either well it’s true it’s true but that’s really why I feel so
strongly for net neutrality is because we can’t just go to you know a third or
fourth providers oh yes so we’re really tied to being on frontier FiOS or now
not only are you tied to the provider but we’re tied to whatever content they decide to provide I think that’s my personal biggest
concern about it is you know we’re wanting to get government out of
Internet which I typically would agree with I think I feel like less government
oversight is good but I also feel like we’ve had so much government oversight
and allowing the monopolies to happen that we really only have one or two
carriers just about anywhere and as a result we as the consumer are stuck
unless we want to try to build out something that’s extraordinarily
expensive yeah it’s cable TV all over again okay
you know they used to be able to put rabbit ears on the TV and pick up right
all the channels you could pick up you know and consume whatever you wanted and
then all of a sudden you know there’s cable TV and they give you however many
channels 60 channels and it seemed like for a while the more the more channels
they add in the more you got then eventually you started seeing that
same price for the base channels 35 channels right and then you see an
additional price for the HD channels and then you see an additional price for the
move channels that’s what that reminds me of is right
is one day I’m gonna I’m gonna get Internet to my house and I’m gonna have
to pay you know for kind of google access Netflix access and then I’m gonna
and and you’re being nickeled and dimed over and over again your bill is going
up the possibility of additional fees additional taxes activation fees and all
that BS is being added onto it and I don’t I don’t just want to be there
thankfully there’s a lot of countries in the world and you can move it’s true and
not just physically but and it’s kind of a little bit off the subject but
virtually – I always think about okay I’ll proxy and or VPN into somewhere
else there’s a lot of other countries that can give me know that I can log
into that will give me no regulation so ready right now
that don’t that aren’t tracking my internet right the issue with that is
simply then they could pass legislation saying you’re not allowed to do that
well where theres a will theres a way I’m just there’s satellites in the sky
well that’s it’s okay we’ll bring up longer lines of that doesn’t mean it’s
not illegal just because you’ll you can find a way to do it doesn’t mean you
won’t get in trouble today in the news Sams going to jail because he oh sorry
yes I still know of these devices that you can hook up to a phone line and
attach to a computer oh yeah and what is it called okay yeah yeah sure so yeah so
I mean I’ve been there before I’ll go back there again if I have to right I’m
just if they start you know putting in legislation that okay these people can
now limit what you see and you want to try and get around it using their
service well then they can you know say it’s okay for them to block that
particular type of traffic well then I mean yeah you can go to dial up but it’s essentially it’s just an example of a snowball type thing of where it could go and
problems that snowball just because I don’t think there’s enough
information right like I think we need to not jam in stuff over thanksgiving and give people more information here is pro or neutral right
I think the discussion that we should be having is what makes people want to
repeal it you know because there is some validity to I I don’t like my ISP
there’s not enough of them and because they laid all of their lines using
government subsidized funds they have strong words but their position is we’re so far ahead bring on the competition nobody because
we’ve already cut deals with counties we already have this money locked up we
have a ten year contract with this state and a 15 year contract with this county
nobody is going to make a dent so how do we change it so that you know we are
bringing the competition they feel because they want to repeal it to bring
in competition I don’t believe the way that it’s set up right now will
necessarily appeal but to BJ’s pointI don’t want the government in anything of mine
I want them to stay away from me my internet I don’t want my freedom of
speech limited I want being limited so you know you’re all very well versed in it
how would you change the law to make it something that you supported repealing
okay well that was a big question basically how would we what would we
change no small question long statement before the question
it’s how you’re basically asking if about about how would you structure the
repeal so that you supported it how would I structure the repeal so that I would
support it I would say personally I feel the only way that I would
get on the repeal net neutrality bandwagon wholeheartedly is if as a
country we were removed the regulation on the polls permitting or dramatically
eased the process for new ISPs to come in to play right now what’s happening is
cable companies come in they get a lock down on an area for 10 20 30 40 years
they get the cable license for the city no other company can come in and take
those those pole they the pole line and the pote rights they can’t get the
permits for adding other cable companies there’s no competition they’re literally
the only person in the area for the next 30 or 40 years that’s huge
I’ve tried to think along those lines of like what would it take to make me like
repealing net neutrality and I I can’t get myself there because I know
that the the issues that you’re that you’re talking about about poles and the
laying fiber and about sure about those things are local issues they are you’re
talking about a city making a decision to not allow Google into their city
County making a decision to not allow X company whatever state making those
decisions but what we’re talking about with net neutrality is a federal issue
oh the reality is its more of a global issue then even well just the way it is
right now sure it would need to trickle down to those states and I but I
like with where you’re going with that is because we the in order for me to
support those kind of regulations I would want more options than I currently
have which is one provider so if I had an option to just to choose between the
base package or the all you can eat package which is a similar price from this other
provider it wouldn’t really matter to me because I know I have something somewhere
else to go right well I feel like kind of going on to what you’re saying is I
feel like at a federal level you would have to start re-regulating the local
issues which kind of scares me because I don’t think the government gets many
things right well it’s not just there’s local governments right there’s
local governments that have to make decisions they’re not informed enough to
make those decisions up the chain you go it’s true and a lot of the laws that
were just a lot of the stuff that drives these laws are things that are from a
hundred years ago back when everything was purely copper right and so we’re
dealing with a lot of telephone exactly we’re dealing with a lot of regulations
for you know old-school telephone switching we’re literally at a person
sitting behind a board plugging crap into the wall and we’re trying to manage
you know multi gigabit you multi terabit fiber connections which are completely
yeah completely different for me to get behind repealing would there
would need to be some sort of new legislation saying that you can’t just
lock something randomly there has to be some sort of process to go to go through
to make sure that it’s not being blocked because of anything except it’s more
expensive so we have to charge them more you know they’re using more of our
system it’s you know drain on our resources so we have to charge them more
so the cost has to be passed on we can’t just say we don’t like that company
anymore so gone okay with price hikes just not but it even seems like if
you’re gonna start doing price hikes because the part the part it gets even
more interesting is most of this bandwidth consumption is happening in
the last mile it’s not happening cross country right and so that last mile
stuff isn’t nearly as expensive as the cross country so I mean we start having
you know Netflix has got content delivery networks you know CDN’s all
across the country so all that content is only going from
the you know the frontier building here in town out five miles so we have an
advantage living in California Silicon Valleys right there well we’re close to
LA we’re close to the mostly yeah yeah well and the fact of the matter is that they are paying more because of those
content distribution nodes for sure you know all these you know big provider
there’s not just one location in Antarctica or something like that a
streaming internet stream under all of this content yeah there are buildings
all through the United States you know that are hosting duplicates of all this
data so that you know you know you’re not dealing with an outage in Pittsburgh
causing downriver else down for everybody else you guys don’t have a backbone for LA to you house like two millisecond to LA not too
bad oh sorry drop off the nerd one I’m gonna the argument that these people
need to pay more is in my opinion somewhat weak because they are paying more
what this true you know they already paid they’re they’re paying a lot of
band they’re paying for a lot of bandwidth at all of these facilities
yes well well and so I really feel like that they are probably paying more for
bandwidth than anyone in the country realizes and so this is huge argument
back and forth about they need to pay more well they like you said that’s a
really great point they are already paying a huge amount of money to a lot
of different ISPs and so now we get to have some fun
those peering relationships are really what allowed the ISPs to cut down on
their bandwidth consumption and so you know having the CDN’s having the
peering relationships that’s really people are already paying a lot of money
for these things well that may be what takes us back to what would make you
support net neutrality if there was a some type of ceiling or or some type of
some type of barrier where they recognized that these companies have
already invested X number of billions of dollars into their infrastructure so
they they are not applicable to all these extra regulations but meanwhile
these smaller these midsize companies we need to really focus on you know whatever the terminology they come up
with leveling the playing field but then when you get down to the smaller content
providers I think they need to be protected
because I think Mark Zuckerberg needs the ability to start up the next
Facebook you know and I think those those dorm rooms need the ability to to
bring to continue in an innovative if I have just one server plugged in
one location I shouldn’t have to be fighting for bandwidth because right by
you we’re already fighting for bandwidth it’s amazing here in Southern California how many people don’t have
good internet and we’re in a major metro areas so we’re not really
give I know it’s true but we’re still fighting I’m sorry but
that’s fighting to have access oh that’s that’s I guess people can get to my server to get my content type of a thing you know and
then I’m paying for say I have fios so I’ve got a 50/50 connection so
I have 50 Meg’s of upload that’s what I get
sure you know if I want more I can pay more sure that’s just reality I mean
that’s how things are so as long as that 50 Meg’s doesn’t somehow get you know
squished because there’s a larger demand for Netflix at this time of day so you
know now I’ve been restricted as long as that is protected then I mean that’s
something that would have to be in place well I I think it’s funny because I feel
like to some extent this is already some of that restriction has already happened
because who hasn’t at the end of the day had trouble streaming Netflix oh well
yeah well the funnel is already there right yeah they’re they’re guaranteed
there’s no guarantees in your bandwidth absolutely they’re providing you up to
50 megabit oh yeah and meanwhile you’re going back to a switch
and depending on how many people are using that switch and depending on what
the upstream is from that switch right but makes me never saying that that’s a
act that the speed is technical and you know physical limitation not something
that they just decided and click no now stretch shifted it’s here if the
physical technology just can’t keep up with the demand that’s one thing and you
know and that gets increase your technology I’m just saying well exactly
but yeah if it’s a physical limitation that is limiting my bandwidth that’s one
thing if it’s the company deciding that they’re going to we came up with their own streaming thing instead of Netflix I think that’s really the thing that gets
me is like the company shouldn’t be a one of the other things would allow me
to really get potentially behind it is if let’s say frontier came out with
their own competitor to Netflix and they gave absolute priority to that and would
not allow Netflix to work to me that I see that happening mm-hmm and that’s
probably my biggest concern about them repealing that neutrality so you have
providers just building their own all the different services only giving that
priority and then everything else just sits in the slow lane not able to
function there was a time before Netflix it was and I’m okay with net neutrality
if we bring back blockbuster but basically that’s what red boxes you can
have you already Netflix you you and your your high-speed that’s a sneaker
net you get your six gigabytes delivered by mail it might be faster

Danny Hutson

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