More on Progressive Web Apps and Future of Native

More on Progressive Web Apps and Future of Native


Hey! This is the Daily Overpass! My name
is Eric and I make apps! Now today, let’s talk a little bit more about Progressive
Web apps and the future of the Android Market. Okay, so today, I want to answer some
questions. I got this one a couple days ago from Dario Radecic who said, “As
you are The Guy whose videos I watch about mobile development, I want to ask
you some questions about the future of the Android and native apps in general.
Number one: Are native mobile apps still a way to go as an indie developer?
(passive income wise) Two: What are your thoughts of progressive web apps taking
over the market? Three: With what types of in-app purchases have you had most
success with? No games, only apps. (remove ads unlock content etc.) Thanks for the
great quality videos, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Okay so, Dario, what I’m going to tell you is just my opinion. But I’m hoping other
people put their opinions in the comments here too. This is sort of
based on my experiences so far and my hopes for the future because I’m in the
same boat that you are, you know, it’s trying to make money from
apps, having that passive income stream coming through. Your first question was,
are native mobile apps still a way to go as an indie developer – passive income
wise? Yes, absolutely! The reason I got involved with apps to
begin with was because I loved the way that the – you have the easy in-app
purchases and the buying decisions are so simple like you
don’t get that a lot with – with SAS projects or with web applications
where you might be able to use like PayPal and everything, but the in-app
purchases is still the best way to go. And if you’re concerned that the fact
that mobile apps might not be there in a few years,
just watch Google I/O next year. Watch WWDC. They’re gonna bring out some new
devices, they’re can bring out some new APIs, are gonna want everybody to go in
and use them and there’s going to be things that make all the applications
that were done in 2013, 2014 really irrelevant because you can do a lots of
new things with the application. So, it’s always changing and it’s always evolving
and a lot of people who were involved in the beginning are gonna say it’s not the
same cuz it’s not. The market is more crowded but that doesn’t mean
it doesn’t exist. It just means it’s not the easy money that a lot of people
think it is when they get involved. That’s my opinion. Let me know if you,
guys, disagree with that. But, yeah, I definitely think there’s a future in
native mobile applications. The second question was, what are your thoughts of
Progressive Web Apps taking over the market?
Now I’ve done these videos about this before. I’m actually really excited about
Progressive Web Apps, but here’s my biggest problem with them. I haven’t
talked to a single client or a single non-techie who knows anything
about them or even knows what I’m talking about. So, if I talk about – so,
let’s say somebody calls up and says, “You know, Eric, I want an app which
happens a lot.” And I say, “You know, have you thought about doing a
progressive web app?’ Nobody knows what I’m talking about and they’re not
interested in that because everybody knows what the app market is, right? It
sort of reminds me a bit of the iPod. So, like mp3 players existed before the iPod,
right? But it was sort of this thing where people would use
mp3 instead of their Walkman or their Discman or whatever they were using
back then. And even I had an mp3 player, right? It was, you know, they were
starting to catch on a little bit, but they were still very techie. They
lacked the the marketing where everybody knew what they were. When the iPod
came in everybody learned what mp3 sort. When Napster came along, everybody
learned about downloading music and there were these certain moments
where things sort of tipped and everybody knows what they are. When
a client comes to me and they sa, “You know, I want an app and they’ll tell me
something which I think should be a website and I’ll tell them, you know, they
should be a website because there’s no reason somebody would download this to
their phone to only use it once. They’ll still insist on an app
because apps are exciting. Everybody knows where the apps market is even if
you say, “I’ll build you an app,” and you build them a progressive web app and you
say, “You have to go to this URL, they’re still gonna say why can’t I see this on
the App Store?” So, what we have at the moment is a really good technology.
But because it’s not being fully adopted by Safari yet and because, you know, it
doesn’t have the marketing back – backing and everything, I don’t think
it’s really ready to get started. This is one of the reasons why I haven’t got
started yet on it, anyway. And it’s – you know, even the name
itself “progressive web apps” is more descriptive than it is
a name. It’s – it just doesn’t roll off the tongue. That’s my opinion. Let me
know if you, guys, think there’s probably- there might be somebody watching who’s doing really well with progressive web apps and I don’t know
anything about it. But even in terms of like in-app purchases and stuff like
that, I haven’t seen – I haven’t seen the equivalent. It’s not something I’m ready
to leap into yet. But I’m definitely gonna love it. (laughs)
I’ve done a lot of HelloWorld projects let me just say that. And your
third question was, what with what type of in-app purchases have you had most
success with remove ads, unlock content etc. Now, for me I’ve done a video about
this before where initially, I was just releasing remove ads. That was my only
in-app purchase and I found that I wasn’t getting a lot of people actually
doing that. They weren’t removing the ads because it wasn’t important enough to
them. It’s not – you basically – you’re saying, you know, it’s gonna be the same
experience but without the ads, which unless your ads are really, really
annoying. It might not be compelling enough for them to do it. They’ll just
put up with the ads. Now, when I started making content that was added on to it,
then that was completely different. So, like with the – okay this is with games,
but it was the language games where I would at least like the first five
levels for free and then if they wanted to continue with it, then they could pay,
you know, a one-off payment to unlock all the rest of them. With the Ear Agent/Ear Spy, we have like MP3 recording, things like that. You know, just
that – they are just in addition to the core applicatio. If somebody wanted
to just use the free version with advertisements, that’s perfectly fine. In
fact, a lot of people, you know, they might be – they might not even have a credit
card. They might not trust the process, or whatever. That’s perfectly
fine with me. But when I just released just remove ads, I didn’t – I didn’t find
that to work at all. And I think, it’s adding content onto it. I think that’s
probably the best strategy. And don’t – if you have something that’s working, don’t
remove the content because let me tell you from experience, people will complain.
You’ll get a lot of bad reviews. People saying, “This used to be there, but now you
have to pay for it?” So, it’s better to add functionality onto it and then –
and then release that as an in-app purchase. And for me,
my whole strategy has always been free version with in-app purchases and paid
version. So, released both at the same time. it’ might save me from the
trouble I’m having with Apple at the moment. With all the container apps but
released, two different versions, because some people don’t want to mess with the
in-app purchases. Some people would rather just, you know, pay a few dollars
and just get everything at one go and other people will make those in-app
purchases. But Ianyway, those are just my answers to those questions. Some of my
opinions. To tthose of you, guys, who are watching. Let me know what you, guys, think.
Let Dario know what you, guys, think. Because, you know, people just starting
out they might be interested in your guys’s experience and you may be more
experienced about all this than I am. But.. So, anyway, that’s it for today! I’ll talk
to you, guys, on Monday!

Danny Hutson

11 thoughts on “More on Progressive Web Apps and Future of Native

  1. Hi Eric, Please make a video on the setbacks of using all the third party developer platforms like Corona SDK and B4A.
    Personally, I use Basic4Android and love how easy it is to make apps with a few lines of code, unlike Java. But…
    I have how it is not possible to implement SDK straight away… You need to first create a wrapper for it.

    I have been too much spoiled by B4A that I can't go back now :p

  2. I completely agree with the opinions in the video.I love native apps but progressive web apps can be new beginning. As far as in-app purchases goes it comes down to user behavior more engaged you're users are better for in app purchases.

    Now i know we are not talking about games here but since i only work on games so i can only share my experience how we implement in app purchases in our games (what works for someone is not going to work for others let me be clear also if you're users are not from US then just forget about it because no in app purchases will be happening very rare to see other than US market)

    so what we do is let's say if a game have 40 levels in total & users completed upto level 30 next 10 levels will be super difficult(we did this on purpose we make the game impossible to beat) making gameplay more difficult is strategic decision to continue to play the game therefore users have no choice but to buy in app items may be better weapons to beat the game.

    so you already know the users who completed up to level 30 they are you're most engaged & loyal users this is the time where you can prompt users to buy some in app items(you've to create the need or urgency to buy in app items)

    that will make the game play alot easier to beat next 10 levels in the game it's a strategic decision based completely on user behavior we do analysis based on flurry which is really helpful for us to determine where most of our users spend time in app this gives us idea where we should implement in app purchases it all boils down to how engaged you're daily active users are.

  3. Hi Eric! Love your videos. Need a guide on how to do ASO for free. I don't wanna spend a single penny. Thanks! Its been only three days since I started developing apps so I am new 🙂

  4. Pwa is a very stupid idea !!!! i will tell you its not gonna work ! The one thing is diffrent from nativ apps , is that u dont have to deal with google or a
    Apple (u saved 25 euro wooooow), but u fuckin nerds idiots dont see that appstore and google play helps you get clients if you ranking good or selling good !!!! Encourage and give the user a feeling that the app is clean , safe , does not have any viruses or privacy invasions……!!!! If you have a web that do pretty good , maybe just MAYBE u will need to build a pwa for it! …….for small buisnesses pwa is buillshit , and fuck you , and good night 🙂

  5. U hyped only because its new tech ,and think its a new market to conquer ! plz explain why would a user switch and use pwa instead of a native app , whats the benifits !!?????? think abt the user experience not urself saving to deal google,apple ! in matter fact ggl,appl helps u Appeal better to users

  6. For every new app i release i do i get 1 million impression from the app store ! How u get visitors to a unkown website ? without money" ….

  7. Most people don't want to download aps anyone and even they do, they will remove it after some time
    What do you think about wpa in 2019?
    I just want to know if i should go for web dev or ios dev?

  8. Even in 2019 I don't think anyone knows that a PWA is.

    I think PWA are more suited for existing services that already have the audience. It gives them the opportunity to give an app-like experience to website visitors without the friction of asking them to install a native app.

    The benefits of PWA are too technical for people to directly understand, the only way to get them in there is the old seamless switcheroo.

    Oh, you're on the website? Look down, look up, now you're on a PWA.

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