Looking Ahead at the 2020 Census | CUNY Forum

Looking Ahead at the 2020 Census | CUNY Forum


♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪>>GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BOB LIFF AND THIS IS THE CUNY FORUM, A MONTHLY TOWN MEETING THAT BRINGS PROMINENT NEW YORKERS TOGETHER WITH FACULTY AND STUDENTS OF THE EDWARD T. ROGOWSKY INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IN GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS. WE ARE FAST APPROACHING THE 2020 CENSUS AND I AM HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANY NEW YORKER WHO DOES NOT THINK WE NEED A FULL COUNT OF ALL RESIDENTS, NOT JUST CITIZENS, NOT JUST DOCUMENTED RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE NOT HOMELESS AND HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS BUT ALL RESIDENTS, AS IT SAYS IN THE CONSTITUTION. THERE IS A PERSISTENT UNDERCOUNT IN NEW YORK, AND OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE NATION, WHERE HARD TO REACH POPULATIONS RESIDE AND THAT UNDERCOUNT HURTS THOSE CITIES IN MANY WAYS. THE CENSUS IS THE BASIS ON WHICH SO MUCH OF GOVERNMENT OPERATES. IT DECIDES HOW MANY CONGRESSIONAL SEATS STATES GET IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH IS ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE BIAS IN FAVOR OF SMALLER STATES BECOMING APPARENT AS BOTH PRESIDENTS TRUMP AND GEORGE W. BUSH WERE ELECTED DESPITE LOSING THE POPULAR VOTE. IT IS THE BASIS OF FEDERAL FUNDING FORMULAS FOR LOCAL SUPPORT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANTI-POVERTY PROGRAMS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, TRANSIT AND HIGHWAYS. YOU NAME A SERVICE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT IS PROBABLY DISTRIBUTED BASED ON CENSUS RESULTS. IT IS A BASIC PART OF POLITICAL SCIENCE, REVOLVING AROUND WHO GETS WHAT, WHEN AND HOW, AND NEW YORK HAS NOT FARED WELL OF LATE, EITHER IN TERMS OF REPRESENTATION OR RESOURCES. IT IS ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT WITH AN ADMINISTRATION IN WASHINGTON HEADED BY A NEW YORKER WITH A PRONOUNCED HOSTILITY TO THE RESIDENTS OF HIS HOMETOWN, PARTICULARLY THE MAJORITY THAT DOES NOT CHECK THE BOX FOR NON-HISPANIC WHITE ON THE CENSUS FORM. THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT, WHICH CARRIES OUT THE CENSUS AND IS HEADED BY ANOTHER NEW YORKER, HAS TRIED WITH MIXED SUCCESS TO THROW ROADBLOCKS IN THE WAY OF A FULL COUNT, MOST PROMINENTLY BY TRYING TO INCLUDE A CITIZENSHIP QUESTION WHICH FEDERAL COURTS HAVE STYMIED. AND IT IS WHY LOCALLY, LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS, ALONG WITH CHURCH GROUPS, SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS, IMMIGRANT ACTIVISTS, AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN GEARING UP FOR NEXT YEAR’S COUNT TRYING TO ENSURE WE GET OUR FAIR SHARE WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE. THE CONTROVERSIES, SINCE OF COURSE THIS IS NEW YORK AND THERE ARE ALWAYS CONTROVERSIES, CENTER ON HOW DEDICATED AND SUFFICIENTLY FUNDED THOSE EFFORTS ARE. WE WILL GET INTO ALL OF THAT. BUT FIRST AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR CUNY STUDENTS. THE CUNY CENSUS CORPS IS HIRING NOW FOR $15 AN HOUR JOBS STARTING IN JANUARY TO ASSIST IN ENSURING A FULL COUNT OF NEW YORKERS. APPLICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE WEBSITE LISTED BELOW ON YOUR SCREEN, OR YOU CAN GO TO CUNY.EDU/CENSUS AND IT WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE YOU TO THE APPLICATION WHICH IS DUE NOVEMBER 14. I’M OLD, BUT IF COULD FIND IT, I KNOW YOU CAN FIND IT TOO. WE ARE JOINED BY FOUR NEW YORKERS WHO TAKE PART IN ANALYZING, REPORTING ON AND CARRYING OUT CENSUS ACTIVITIES IN NEW YORK. ANDREW BEVERIDGE, A QUEENS COLLEGE SOCIOLOGY PROFESSOR, IS PERHAPS THE CITY’S BEST KNOW DEMOGRAPHER WHO HAS BEEN STUDYING POPULATION TRENDS AND THE CENSUS FOR A LONG TIME. JO-ANN YOO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ASIAN AMERICAN FEDERATION WHICH HAS BEEN PREPARING TO ENSURE IMMIGRANTS IN PARTICULAR ARE COUNTED NEXT YEAR. ESMERALDA SIMMONS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR LAW AND SOCIAL JUSTICE AT MEDGAR EVERS COLLEGE AND WAS A MEMBER OF THE NEW YORK STATE COMPLETE COUNT COMMISSION WHICH WAS CHARGED WITH WAYS TO MAXIMIZE THAT COUNT, OR TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, MINIMIZE THE UNDERCOUNT. AND SAMAR KHURSHID IS SENIOR REPORTER AT GOTHAM GAZETTE WHO HAS BEEN COVERING THE CENSUS AND WILL TELL US WHAT IT ALL MEANS. LET ME START WITH YOU. CHALLENGES OF THE CENSUS IN A CITY AND STATE WITH SO MANY HARD-TO-REACH POPULATIONS, THE STAKES ARE VERY HIGH.>>THEY ARE EXTREMELY HIGH. YORK CITY AND NEW YORK STATE HAS SO MUCH TO LOSE IF WE LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. PARTICULARLY IN BLACK NEW YORKERS, THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS HAVE SAID THEY’RE NOT INTERESTED IN THE CENSUS. THAT MEANS THAT WE DON’T JUST HAVE TO TELL THEM ABOUT IT, WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM THAT IT IS SAFE AND EASY AND IT IS EASIER THAN GOING TO AMAZON AND ORDERING A TEE SHIRT. THE REAL DIFFERENCE IS THE LACK OF SUPPORT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE BIG QUESTION IS THE STATE GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO SO FAR? NOTHING? THE CITY IS HISTORIC. PUTTING FORTH $40 MILLION FOR THE CENSUS. MORE THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTRY. WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT MONEY. THAT’S THE BIG PROBLEM. EVERYBODY SAYS LET’S HAVE THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE HAVE TRUSTED VOICES SPEAK TO PEOPLE, BUT THERE IS NO MONEY. WE DON’T KNOW WHEN THAT IS HAPPENING. BY THE TIME IT HAPPENS, WE’LL BE SQUEAKING A LOT, IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. WHO IS GOING TO LISTEN?>>WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES, THESE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT DON’T REACT WELL TO SOMEBODY SAYING I AM GOING TO HELP YOU. WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU HAVE LANGUAGES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DOCUMENTED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TRUMP HOSTILITY.>>SO THE ASIAN AMERICAN FEDERATION IS A CENSUS INFORMATION CENTER. WE’VE BEEN GEARING UP FOR THIS MOMENT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS, FIGURING OUT WHAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE. WE ARE IN NEW JERSEY WORKING WITH PEOPLE THERE. FOR US, IT’S THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION. THERE WERE SIX MONTHS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BEATING THEIR CHEST ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO HE WILL EXCLUDE. THE SUPREME COURT RULED IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE QUESTION. THERE WAS A HOT SECOND OF NEWS OF, THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION IS REMOVED. WE ARE GOING TO DO OUTREACH IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT QUESTION STILL COMES UP. THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE OUR DIVERSITY. WE ARE AT LEAST 10% IN 26 OF THE 51 COUNCIL DISTRICTS. PEOPLE THINK ASIANS LIVE IN ENCLAVES. WE ARE EVERYWHERE. WE NEED TO REACH EVERY PERSON. WE HAVE TO DO IT IN ALL THE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, 36 TRACK LANGUAGES. OUR WORK IS CUT OUT FOR US. THE CENSUS BUREAU DID A SURVEY. THEY ASKED THE QUESTION IF YOU’RE GOING TO FILL OUT THE CENSUS. ASIANS HAD THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF NO AT 55% SO THOSE ARE SCARY STATISTICS. WE AGREE THAT THIS IS IT. WE NEED THE FUNDING. IF WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED FIVE MONTHS AGO.>>THE STATE EFFORTS IN PARTICULAR ARE BEING VIEWED BY PEOPLE WHO PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION AS HALFHEARTED AT BEST. HOW HAS THIS CHANGED OVER TIME? ARE THERE MORE CREATIVE WAYS? THIS WILL BE THE FIRST ONLINE CENSUS.>>PARTLY ONLINE.>>THERE’S THE OPTION OF GOING ONLINE. IS THIS A SPOTTY PERFORMANCE?>>I THINK THE STATE IS TAKING — THE COMMISSION HAD 16 MEMBERS AT ONE POINT. BASICALLY, IT WAS DOMINATED BY THE GOVERNOR. THE MINORITY HAD TWO APPOINTMENTS. IF YOU WANT TO SCALE THIS, NEW YORK STATE SO EVERYBODY REALIZES THIS, ACCORDING TO ELECTION DATA SERVICES IN WASHINGTON DC, NEW YORK IS GOING TO LOSE ONE CONGRESSIONAL SEAT AND IS ON THE CUSP OF LOSING TWO. AT THE CHANCE OF LOSING TO CONGRESSIONAL SEATS, YOU WOULD EXPECT THEY WOULD GO THE SECOND OR THIRD MILE TO GET THE SEATS. AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE CENSUS IS ABOUT TWO THINGS. ANALYSTS LIKE ME USE IT FOR RESEARCH. THE REAL THING THE CENSUS IS FOR IS MONEY AND POWER. IT DIVIDES MONEY AND DIVIDES POWER. THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE DON’T HAVE POWER, WHICH RELATES TO CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATIONS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THIS, GOVERNOR CUOMO WAS ASKED WHY DON’T YOU DO MORE, NEW YORK COULD LOSE TWO SEATS. HE SAID THAT’S OK. IT’S AN AMAZING THING FOR ME TO WATCH THIS. YOU WERE THERE AS WELL. HE’S BASICALLY SAYING WHO CARES. COMPARED TO CALIFORNIA, WHICH ALLOCATED ALMOST $200 MILLION, THEY ARE DOWN TO LOSE NO SEATS. IF CALIFORNIA GAINS A SEAT, WE WILL KNOW WHY.>>YOU’VE BEEN COVERING THIS. WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE STATE AND LACK OF FUNDING AND HIRING AND THE CENSUS BUREAU, YOU’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LIBRARIES AND DOING A HUGE OUTREACH TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT COMPUTER SAVVY OR SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES. YOU HAVE IMMIGRANT LEADERS, THIS IS A WELL AWARE COMMUNITY OF ACTIVISTS.>>THERE ARE PARTICULAR CHALLENGES THIS TIME AROUND. THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION HAD A CHILLING EFFECT. THE CITY AND THE STATE OF ALWAYS BEEN AWARE OF THE POPULATIONS. LIKE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE. SENIORS, PREDOMINANTLY BLACK COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN PUBLIC HOUSING, THE HOMELESS. THE HOMELESS PROBLEM HAS BEEN UNDERSTATED. HOW DO WE COUNT THE HOMELESS?>>THE FEDS SAY WE HAVE MORE HOMELESS. THEY DO THAT WORKS TO OUR BENEFIT.>>THE CITY WILL BE WORKING WITH THE FEDS TO DO GROUP QUARTER OUTREACH, THE HOMELESS SHELTERS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES. THEY WILL COUNT THE STREET HOMELESS. THESE ARE EFFORTS THAT COULD STILL MISS THIS LARGELY INVISIBLE POPULATION IN THE CITY. THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE THIS MAKES A BIG ISSUE. WHEN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT SENIORS AND RURAL AREAS, YOU DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET OR PEOPLE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW TO USE COMPUTERS OR PHONES. THEY HAVE TO DO THE OUTREACH AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT WILL TAKE TWO MINUTES TO FILL OUT CENSUS. YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR PHONE. THEY WILL HAVE POP-UP CENTERS AND AT HOUSES OF WORSHIP AND COMMUNITY CENTERS. THIS WILL BE KEY IN MAKING SURE EVERYONE FILLS THAT OUT. THEY WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE SELF RESPONSE RATE IS AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE.>>THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO RESPOND BEFORE THEY HAVE TO COME LOOK FOR YOU.>>THAT WAS COMPARED TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. THEY THINK IT COULD BE AS LOW AS 58%. IT UNDER FUNDS THE ENUMERATORS. THERE IS LESS FUNDIN FOR THAT, THE CITY HAS TO FOCUS ON THE INITIAL PHASE AND GET PEOPLE TO RESPOND.>>LET ME ASK YOU A TECHNICAL QUESTION. THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN 1990 ABOUT STATISTICS AS A MORE ACCURATE WAY. THE CONSTITUTION SEEMS TO SAY A HEAD COUNT. IT’S HARD TO COUNT 330 MILLION PEOPLE.>>THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ADJUSTMENT IN 1990. THE CENSUS BUREAU ITSELF, THE STAFF DIRECTORS, THEY RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENT. IT WENT TO WILBUR ROSS. IT WENT TO THE COMMERCE SECRETARY, IT WAS GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN. I’M SURE IT WAS JUST A SCIENTIFIC JUDGMENT. THEY DECIDED TO NOT ADJUST. IT HURT NEW YORK BY 250,000. SINCE THEN, THEY HAVE HAD A NEW SYSTEM, IT IS HUGE. IT’S A LOCAL UPDATED CENSUS OF ADDRESSES THAT ALLOWS NEW YORK, THE CHIEF DEMOGRAPHER, TO SEND ADDRESSES THEY DIDN’T HAVE. THEY GET TO INSPECT THE ADDRESSES. IN 2000, EVERYBODY HAD A POOL ON HOW BIG IT WOULD BE. NO ONE HAD TAKEN IT ABOVE 8 MILLION. THERE USED TO BE THIS SHOW NAKED CITY. NEW YORK HAD NEVER BEEN AT 8 MILLION AND IT GOT OVER 8 MILLION IN 2000 AND I THINK ABOUT 250,000 OR 300,000 OF THOSE ARE DUE TO FINDING PLACES THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO FIND. IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DECADE, WHEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ONLY ALLOWING IF YOU ARE ON THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THAT GOT STOPPED. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF TRICKS.>>TODAY, THEY ARE SENDING 100,000 NEW ADDRESSES TO THE CENSUS BUREAU.>>THAT’S ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.>>THOSE THINGS ARE VERY SERIOUS. NEW YORK STATE DID A GOOD JOB ON — THE CITY HAS ALWAYS DONE A GOOD JOB. THAT COULD OFFSET TO SOME EXTENT THE LOSS. THEY SENT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION ADDRESSES. YOU COULD HEAR THE PEOPLE SAYING THEY COULD NOT FIND US IN 2010. THAT’S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. IF THEY HAVE AN ADDRESS, THIS IS SECRET, IF THEY HAVE AN ADDRESS AND THEY DON’T FIND YOU IN YOUR APARTMENT, THEY TRY A FEW TIMES. I THINK THEY WILL CUT DOWN ON THE TOTAL NUMBER THIS TIME. THEY WILL MAKE SOMEBODY UP AND PUT THEM IN THERE. THAT’S CALLED IMPUTATION. ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS A STATISTICAL PROCESS, IMPUTATION IS PERFECTLY LEGAL.>>THERE’S GOING TO BE A TEST. GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN HERE. THERE ARE DIFFICULT TO REACH PEOPLE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO BE REACHED. YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOTH OF THEM. IT’S NOT JUST ASIAN-AMERICANS, HISPANIC IMMIGRANTS, AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS, IT’S THE SOUP THAT MAKES UP NEW YORK.>>NATIVE NEW YORKERS. [LAUGHTER]>>SPEAKING OF NATIVE NEW YORKERS, ONE OF THE GROUPS I WORK WITH IS THE AMERICAN INDIAN COMMUNITY HOUSING. IT IS NOT WELL-KNOWN IN NEW YORK CITY. IS HOME TO THE LARGEST INDIGENOUS URBAN POPULATION IN THE COUNTRY. OUT WEST, THE PEOPLE COME FROM A NEARBY NATION. WE HAVE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT COME FROM EVERYWHERE. THERE WERE 110,000 PEOPLE COUNTED, THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT UNDER COUNT. THEY ARE BEEFING UP TO COUNT THEIR PEOPLE.>>NO COMMUNITY SHOULD BE INVISIBLE. EVERY COMMUNITY SHOULD MAKE SURE THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO NEW YORK CITY ARE CITED IN THE OFFICIAL NUMBERS.>>THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION WHERE YOU DON’T WANT THE OTHER GUY TO BE COUNTED.>>I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR THE ASIAN COMMUNITY WAS THE CENSUS BUREAU DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE OUTREACH. THAT’S THE FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITY. SOME OF THE POOREST NEW YORKERS ARE SOUTH ASIAN. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? THE CITY WILL SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FILLING THE VOID. FOR THE ASIAN COMMUNITY, THE CHALLENGE IS FOR 17% OF ASIAN NEW YORKERS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME DOING THE CENSUS. THEY CAME AFTER 2010. THEY HAVE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. IT IS INTERACTION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AFTER ALL THE SCARY THINGS WE ARE HEARING ANTI-IMMIGRATION POLICIES.>>THERE IS A LONG AND DISHONORABLE HISTORY OF SCAMS IN THE CITY WHERE IMMIGRATION LAWYERS WILL CALL YOU AND SAY I WILL TAKE YOU. THERE ARE CENSUS SCAMS HAPPENING ALREADY. IT SHOULD BE KNOWN THE CENSUS WILL NOT ASK ABOUT YOUR BANKING INFORMATION, NOT ABOUT YOUR VOTING REGISTRATION. NOT YOUR SO SECURITY NUMBER.>>THE OFFICIAL NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CENSUS.>>YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF STREET SENSE THAT IF PEOPLE ASK THAT, IT’S NOT THE CENSUS.>>I KNOW I’VE BEEN FOLLOWING SOME OF THE WORK YOU’VE BEEN DOING, TALKING ABOUT SENIORS AND HOW VULNERABLE THEY ARE. THEY ARE SUCH EASY PREY. I KNOW THE STAFF, HE PUT SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK. HE POSTED THAT TODAY.>>HE DID GET COUNTED N.Y.C. JUST TO PROTECT AGAINST SOMEONE BUYING THOSE. HE BOUGHT UP ALL OF THOSE SITES. HE IS WILLING TO GIVE THEM TO REPUTABLE ORGANIZATIONS TO USE.>>THE CITY IS VERY AWARE OF THIS. THEY ARE LOOKING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT CAN BE USED TO SPREAD THIS MISINFORMATION IN TARGETED WAYS. THEY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THEY DO IS SECURE AND PRIVATE. THAT’S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE OR THEM.>>THE CENSUS PROFESSIONALS WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.>>THEY DO. THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE CONSTRAINED. WILBUR ROSS IS THEIR BOSS. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? I DON’T THINK WE CAN TAKE AWAY. I SEE THE CENSUS AS THE MOST THREATENED. I SEE THIS AS THE MOST THREATENED CENSUS THAT I’VE EVER LIVED THROUGH. THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION, YOU THINK IT’S GONE. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET IT FROM ADMINISTRATIVE RECORDS. THEY JUST ASKED FOR EVERYBODY’S DRIVERS LICENSE. NEW YORK REFUSED OR HAS NOT ASKED. THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORDS, MOST EXPERTS THINK IT’S IMPOSSIBLE. WHEN TRUMP HAD HIS HISSY FIT, THEY DROPPED THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION, THEY SAID WE ARE GOING TO DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORDS. THE CENSUS BUREAU CLICK THEIR HEELS AND SAID YES BOSS, WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. THEY ARE BEHOLDEN TO WILBUR ROSS. THE THING THIS REMINDS ME OF IS A DARK TIME FOR THE CENSUS, 1942, WHEN THE CENSUS DATA WAS USED IN THE CENSUS BUREAU OFFICIALS HELPED ROUNDUP JAPANESE-AMERICANS AND PUT THEM INTO INTERNMENT CAMPS IN THE WEST. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE NOTION. THE PEOPLE CALLING THE SHOTS ARE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND WILBUR ROSS. HE DID GIVE THEM A BUNCH OF MONEY. THEY REALLY REALLY WANT TO USE THE CITIZENSHIP TO DISENFRANCHISE CHILDREN AND NONCITIZENS.>>THEY ARE TRYING TO TACKLE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.>>ALL OF THIS HAS TO SCARE IMMIGRANTS.>>WE KNOW THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE LAW SAYS. I WOULD POINT OUT THE FACT THAT IN NEW YORK CITY, EVERYONE HAS SEEN AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS ON THE STREETS, PEDDLERS, THEY DO SHOPPING BAGS, PURSES, SCARVES, ETC. LAST TIME AROUND, NOBODY COULD FIND THEM WHEN IT CAME TO THE CENSUS. THAT’S ONLY ONE AFRICAN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY. MANY OF THEM DON’T WANT TO BE FOUND. I CAN SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS. THEY DON’T TRUST GOVERNMENT. IT’S NOT EVEN THIS GOVERNMENT. THEY’VE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES. THAT’S WHY THEY ARE HERE. THEY REALLY DON’T THINK THAT INTERACTION WILL LEAD THEM TO A GOOD PLACE.>>THAT IS PART OF THE CHALLENGE. SINCE TRUMP CAME TO POWER, THEY’VE BEEN WARNING IMMIGRANTS THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO YOUR DOOR, DON’T OPEN THE DOOR WITHOUT A WARRANT. YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM THE OTHER WAY AROUND, IT’S IN YOUR INTEREST TO OPEN THE DOOR.>>SELF-REPORT. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SAYING. GO TO THE LIBRARY.>>IF YOU ARE UNDOCUMENTED AND YOU HAVE A CONCERN, YOU SHOULD FILL OUT THE CENSUS. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY FILL OUT THE CENSUS. THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS AND IS NOT A CITIZEN FROM SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS ON IT. THE WOMAN WHO WAS AT THE CENSUS BUREAU TO DO THIS IS NOW AT GEORGETOWN. THEY ALL THINK THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. THEY CLAIM THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT. THE SECOND THING THAT HAPPENED, THEY WERE GOING TO DO A TEST OF THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION. THEY ROLLED IT BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT OPINION. THIS CAME UP. THEY SAID YOU CAN’T DO IT. PEOPLE GOT IT IN THE MAIL. AT THE WESTCHESTER MEETING, THE PEOPLE CAME AND SAID WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS? I THOUGHT THE QUESTION WAS GONE. THERE HAVE BEEN A BUNCH OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE REALLY TROUBLING. I THINK LARGELY ITS HOSTILITY. IN 2010, THERE WAS NOT THIS LEVEL OF HOSTILITY WITH THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, EVEN IN 2000 WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS IN. THERE WASN’T THE SAME HOSTILITY TOWARD THE CENSUS.>>WHY THE HOSTILITY? I CALL IT FEAR OF A BLACK, BROWN, ASIAN UNITED STATES. THEY WANT TO MANIPULATE THE NUMBER SO THIS COUNTRY STILL HAS MAJORITY WHITE. THAT’S IT. THAT’S WHO THEY THINK THE COUNTRY IS ABOUT. THEY HAVE THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT IT. TRYING TO MANIPULATE THE DATA SO THEY CAN SAY THIS IS WHO REAL AMERICA IS ABOUT.>>ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER COVERING THE CENSUS IN 1990, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE CITY, I CAN’T REMEMBER IF IT WAS ONE OF THOSE MAJORITY MINORITIES. THIS WAS THE TERM.>>PEOPLE GOT REALLY UPSET ABOUT THAT.>>IT WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT A MAJORITY OF HISPANICS WERE NOT PUERTO RICAN. IT’S A CASE OF WHERE DEMOGRAPHY DRIVES POLITICS. PUERTO RICANS ARE CITIZENS. PRESIDENT TRUMP DOESN’T BELIEVE THEY ARE CITIZENS. IMMIGRATION IS NOT AN ISSUE. ONCE YOU HAVE A MAJORITY OF HISPANICS WHO ARE NOT PUERTO RICANS, IMMIGRATION GOES TO THE TOP OF ITHE AGENDA. SO IT’S A CASE WHERE DEMOGRAPHY DRIVES THE POLITICAL AGENDA.>>REMEMBER RUDY GIULIANI? IN 2000, HE WAS MAYOR. HE SAID GOING INTO THE CENSUS ON THIS TOPIC ABOUT IMMIGRANTS, THIS IS A SHOCKING QUOTE, HE SAID I LOVE ALL IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL OR ILLEGAL. HE WAS NOT — HE WAS A LOT MORE HOSTILE TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY. IN IMMIGRANT AREAS, THERE WAS VERY GOOD TURNOUT. IN UPSCALE BLACK AREAS, THERE WAS NOT. THE REASON IS THE BLACK COMMUNITY FELT THE HOSTILITY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. IN CHICAGO, IT WAS UPSIDE DOWN. THERE WAS A BLACK MAYOR AND THEY DID SERIOUS OUTREACH TO BLACKS. THE TONE I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE FACT THAT THE TONE AT THE TOP IS SO HOSTILE TO IMMIGRANTS AND TO ANYBODY WHO IS NOT WHITE, IF YOU ARE WHITE AND NOT ANTI-IMMIGRANT, YOU HAVE GIVEN UP YOUR RACE AND CLASS. YOU ARE A TRAITOR. I AM JOKING ABOUT THIS BUT THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE NEVER SEEN. THE GOVERNMENT IS ATTACKING A LARGE PART OF THE COUNTRY WHO YOU WOULD HOPE –>>WE’VE SEEN BEFORE. AT ONE POINT, THERE WERE MORE ENSLAVED PEOPLE THAN THERE WERE NOT ENSLAVED. WE’VE SEEN THAT HOSTILITY BEFORE. IT LOOKS QUITE SIMILAR. THEY DID NOT WANT TO COUNT ENSLAVED AFRICANS AS WHOLE PEOPLE. THEY WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION. THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT 3/5’S THOUGH. IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS THE LOWEST COUNTED COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY CENTRAL BROOKLYN IN THE COUNTRY. IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. THAT’S THE LEVEL OF STAY AWAY.>>AND THAT’S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY AN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.>>NO. EQUAL NUMBERS OF PEOPLE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY ARE CITIZENS. THERE IS STILL UNIFORM HOSTILITY AND THAT GOES ACROSS CLASS.>>ROUGHLY 80% OF BROOKLYN IS A HARD TO COUNT COMMUNITY. SELF RESPONSE RATES TEND TO BE LOW.>>DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THE ONLINE PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK?>>IN MARCH, THEY WILL MAIL OUT CODES. THEY WILL MAIL A DIGITAL CODE TO 80% — A POSTCARD. IT WILL SAY GO ONLINE, FILL THIS IN.>>WILL THE CODE BE TIED TO A PERSON?>>ADDRESS.>>IT WILL TELL YOU TO GO ONLINE. FILL IT OUT. IT TAKES TWO MINUTES, TEN QUESTIONS. IT IS SIMPLE. IF YOU DON’T RESPOND, THEY WILL SEND ANOTHER. YOU CAN REQUEST A PAPER QUESTIONNAIRE.>>THEN THEY SEND YOU A PAPER QUESTIONNAIRE.>>THERE IS A SMALL GROUP THAT THEY HAND DELIVER. THE DIGITAL THING IS NOT AS FRIGHTENING AS PEOPLE THINK.>>30% OF NEW YORKERS DO NOT HAVE THE INTERNET.>>THAT’S WHY THE LIBRARY IS SO IMPORTANT. THIS IS A QUESTION I SHOULD KNOW. DOES YOUR NAME GO ON THE FORM?>>YES. AND THE NAMES OF EVERYONE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD, INCLUDING CHILDREN. THE LARGEST GROUP NOT COUNTED ARE CHILDREN UNDER FIVE. PEOPLE THINK THEY SHOULD COUNT ADULTS AND CHILDREN DON’T COUNT. SOME PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO PUT CHILDREN’S NAMES ON ANYTHING. SOME PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN THEY HAVE BECAUSE THE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE HOUSEHOLD.>>THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS NOT GOING TO GET THIS DATA.>>THEY ARE PUSHING FOR EVERYONE TO FILL IT OUT SO THERE COULD BE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT.>>THEY HAVE AN EXTRA QUESTION, ARE THERE ANY BABIES THAT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION? IT’S 10 QUESTIONS, A COUPLE ARE REPEATED.>>IS THERE A LONG FORM?>>NO.>>THAT’S BEEN SHIFTED TO AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.>>USED TO BE A SHORT FORM THAT EVERYBODY GOT AND SOME PEOPLE GOT A LONGER FORM.>>THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY YEAR, THIS IS SENT TO A SECTION OF THE POPULATION. THAT MAKES MORE DETERMINATIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.>>THERE IS NO ECONOMIC QUESTION ON THE CENSUS.>>IT’S BASICALLY THE SIZE OF THE LONG FORM. THEY ASK IT EVERY YEAR. IT IS MORE TIMELY.>>THAT IS A STATISTICAL SAMPLING.>>ONE OF THE ISSUES GOING BACK TO IMMIGRATION IS THERE WAS A STUDY DONE THAT SHOWS PEOPLE DO LIE. THEY DO LIE AND SAY THEY ARE CITIZENS. I WAS DOING A CASE AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO COME AFTER US ON THAT, THE LATINOS ARE NOT FRANK ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE HOPING IS TO CLAIM THE UNDOCUMENTED NONCITIZEN PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS LARGER SO IT WILL UNDERCUT THE MINORITY RIGHTS PARTICULARLY FOR LATINOS AND ASIANS. THEIR ABILITY TO GET A MINORITY MAJORITY DISTRICT. THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THAT.>>CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS ARE NOT BASED ON CITIZENS. THEY ARE BASED ON POPULATION.>>THERE IS A CASE FROM ALABAMA WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO CUT OUT UNDOCUMENTED.>>WE’VE GOT PRISONERS.>>THIS IS A CASE THE JUDGE HAS GOING FORWARD. CURRENT.>>GO BACK TO THE PRISON POPULATION. 10 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A MAJOR VICTORY WHEN WE ENDED PRISON GERRYMANDERING IN NEW YORK STATE. WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PAST IS THEY WOULD TAKE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN STATE PRISON AND COUNT THEM WHERE THEY WERE IMPRISONED. AS IF THEY WERE GOING ABOUT BUSINESS IN THOSE CITIES AND RURAL AREAS.>>THE UPSTATE COMMUNITIES LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT INCREASED THEIR REPRESENTATION IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.>>I WAS TESTIFYING UPSTATE.>>IT CREATED THINGS THAT WE CALL GHOST DISTRICTS WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT WERE ACTUALLY PEOPLE IN PRISON AND SOMEBODY COULD GET ELECTED THERE. WE CHALLENGED THAT. WE HAD A VICTORY IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE. THIS WAS BEFORE THERE WAS A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE SENATE AND THEY ABOLISHED IT BY LEGISLATION. THAT WAS CHALLENGED IN COURT. WE WON IN COURT.>>THE PEOPLE WOULD BE COUNTED WHERE THEY HAD LIVED BEFORE. THAT TENDED TO BE THE CITY.>>THAT DILUTES THE POWER OF WHAT FAVORS REPUBLICANS. THE BALANCE OF POWER IS GOING TO EVEN OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.>>THEY HAVE TO NOT HAVE THAT PRISON GERRYMANDERING. THERE IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF REDISTRICTING. THAT DISTRICTING COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO.>>LET’S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT –>>ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON CENSUS THOUGH. IT’S ALL BASED ON CENSUS AND THERE IS NO ADJUSTMENT OF POPULATION DATA WHEN IT COMES TO DETERMINING CONGRESSIONAL SEATS AND SEATS FOR COUNTY SHERIFF.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CENSUS MEANS. WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE DISTRIBUTED? HOUSING MONEY? GIVE ME SOME SENSE OF WHAT IT ALL MEANS.>>SNAP FUNDING. FOOD STAMPS. FUNDING FOR PUBLIC HOUSING. MEDICARE AND MEDICAID.>>FOOD. WATER. STREETS. EDUCATION. HOSPITALS. LAW ENFORCEMENT. PARKS. YOU CAN WALK TO THE CITY RIGHT NOW, ANYTHING YOU ARE TOUCHING IS AFFECTED.>>IT ALSO AFFECTS WHERE BUSINESSES INVEST THEIR MONEY. IF THEY ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING POPULATIONS, WILL A REAL ESTATE FIRM BUILD MORE HOUSING? IF THEY SEE THE POPULATION GOING UP, THERE MIGHT BE MORE HOUSING. IT DEPENDS ON REAL NUMBERS. IF THERE’S AN UNDERCOUNT, THEY MIGHT NOT INVEST IN THE RIGHT PLACES.>>THERE IS A STUDY OF 82 PROGRAMS, SPECIFICALLY LINKED. IT IS SOMETHING LIKE $900 BILLION.>>COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANTS. THE STATE WILL SPREAD IT OUT. THE AIR WE BREATHE AND THE WATER WE DRINK IS AFFECTED BY THIS. THAT’S WHY WE ARE IN FOR THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES. EVERYBODY HAS TO BE COUNTED. EVERYBODY.>>IN 2010, IT’S YOUR DUTY. THAT’S WHAT THE CITY DIRECTED TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS. THIS TIME, THE CITY IS IN CONTROL AND THEY ARE SPENDING $40 MILLION ON THIS. THAT IS GOING TO BE TELLING PEOPLE YOU NEED TO FILL THIS OUT. IT AFFECTS HOW GOOD THE SCHOOLS ARE, IT AFFECTS PUBLIC SERVICES.>>WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.>>WE TALKED ABOUT THE CUNY CENSUS CORE. A LOT OF GROUPS ARE HIRING PEOPLE, GEARING UP. ANYBODY CAN HELP SOMEBODY FILL OUT A CENSUS FORM. IT’S NOT AS IF YOU NEED TRAINING. YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A NOTARY TO HELP SOMEBODY.>>HELP SOMEBODY THAT SPEAKS YOUR LANGUAGE. THE CENSUS BUREAU IS NOT TRANSLATING IT. THAT SOUNDS VERY LIMITED.>>IN ORDER TO DO LANGUAGE OUTREACH, THE CENSUS WILL NOT HELP NONCITIZENS.>>THEY’VE CHANGED THAT.>>WE HAVE SEEN THE SUCCESSES. THEY GIVE A WAIVER IN NEW YORK STATE SO THEY COULD HIRE PEOPLE WHO HAD GREEN CARDS.>>THEY HAVE TO HAVE A GREEN CARD.>>IN 2000, THE ASIAN COMMITTEE MAILED IN RESPONSE WAS 63%. WE DID A LOT OF TARGETED OUTREACH IN THE 2010 CENSUS. WE KNOW WHAT THE MAGIC IS. YOU’VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE THAT THEY SEE EVERY DAY. 2010, 71%. WE KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDING RELEASED. WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE HIRED. WE HAVE TO TRAIN WORKERS. WE NEED TO PREP THEM. WE NEED TO GET GOING.>>THERE WILL BE GREAT PROPS FOR LIBRARIANS.>>I HAVE TO COMMEND THE CITY. THEY GOT MONEY, THE FIRST GROUP WAS THE LIBRARY. THEY ARE ALREADY GEARING UP.>>THEY HAVE COMPUTERS.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE COMPUTERS. BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHERE YOU FILL OUT YOUR CENSUS FORM. DON’T BE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. PLEASE GO TO A LIBRARY OR SOMEPLACE THAT IS SAFE. WHEN YOU GO ONLINE, NO ONE CAN SNATCH YOUR INFORMATION. LIBRARIES HAVE ALL OF THE FIREWALLS NECESSARY.>>THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS ABOUT CYBER CRIMINALS TARGETING THE CENSUS AS THEY TARGETED OUR ELECTORAL SYSTEM. THAT’S A VERY INTERESTING POINT.>>IT’S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE INTERNET PROVIDERS. IT’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO STEP UP FOR THEM TO WORK WITH CENTERS, GIVE EQUIPMENT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME? HOW DO I ENGAGE VERIZON, TIME WARNER. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SHARE RESOURCES?>>LET ME TAKE A QUESTION.>>MY CAMPUS IS QUEENS COLLEGE.>>I AM A BROOKLYN COLLEGE GUY.>>MY QUESTION IS I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVING THE STATE MONEY BASED ON THE POPULATION OF THE STATE? IF YOU DON’T FILL OUT THE CENSUS FORM AND YOU ARE NOT COUNTED, THE STATE GETS LESS FUNDS?>>ACROSS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THERE IS A WRITER WHO HAS BEEN WORKING THIS, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EACH PROGRAM DOES. MANY HAVE A POPULATION COUNT. SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, TITLE I. ALL OF THAT IS BASED ON COUNTS. IF THE COUNT IS IMPORTANT, IT MEANS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHO GETS FUNDED WILL ALSO BE BASED ON THE COUNT. THERE BEEN WARS FOUGHT OVER THE CENSUS. THERE WAS ONE IN NIGERIA AND ONE IN INDONESIA. THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.>>IF YOU HAVE 100 PEOPLE, THIS ROOM AND THIS GROUP DOESN’T FILL OUT THE CENSUS, EVERYBODY HAS TO EAT. YOU GET ENOUGH MONEY TO FEED THEM. WE HAVE TO FEED EVERYBODY.>>THE STATE GETS $80 BILLION.>>THAT IS A LOW FIGURE COMPARED TO OUR REAL POPULATION.>>THAT’S COMPARED TO THE MONEY THEY COLLECT FROM NEW YORK.>>NEW YORK IS A DONOR STATE.>>WE WONDER WHY WE DON’T HAVE STREETS REPAVED.>>WHEN PEOPLE SAY I CAN’T COMPLAIN, YOU ARE A NEW YORKER, OF COURSE YOU CAN COMPLAIN.>>I ATTEND THE COLLEGE OF STATEN ISLAND. I WANTED TO ASK BESIDES AN ONLINE CENSUS FORM THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD HELP INCREASE PEOPLE THAT WOULD FILL OUT THE CENSUS BESIDES HAVING AN ONLINE ALTERNATIVE THAT ELIMINATES — LIMITS THE STRESS OF FILLING OUT THE FORM?>>HOPEFULLY IT’S EASY AND QUICK.>>IF YOU ARE ILLITERATE AND YOU HAVE A CENSUS FORM ONLINE, YOU CAN CALL AND FILL YOUR FORM BY TALKING SOMEBODY. YOU WILL BE COUNTED.>>THE CENSUS EMPLOYEES ARE PRETTY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. THIS IS NOT — I THINK PEOPLE ARE DEDICATED TO ACHIEVING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.>>THE CITY AND STATE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH TO THE POINT OF GOING TO SOMEONES DOOR AND GETTING THEM TO FILL IT OUT BECAUSE THAT’S UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.>>THAT WILL HAPPEN IN APRIL. PEOPLE DON’T FILL OUT THE CENSUS. THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE, ADDRESSES –>>BUT THAT’S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOING THE HIRING OF CENSUS ENUMERATORS. THEY CAN PUT MORE MONEY TOWARD STAFF. OR THEY COULD RELY ON STATE ENUMERATORS. THAT WOULD CHANGE FEDERAL LAW.>>WHAT WE COULD DO IS BE AMBASSADORS, CENSUS AMBASSADORS. WE CAN BE CENSUS AMBASSADORS. WE CAN TELL OUR COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. WE CAN ASSIST PEOPLE FILLING OUT THE CENSUS. WE CAN TELL THEM WHERE TO GO. EVERY CUNY CAMPUS WILL HAVE A POP-UP STATION. STUDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY CAN COME IN. AND EVERYONE IS GETTING EXCITED ABOUT THAT. NOW THEY’RE LIKE, YES, YES, YES, WE WANT IT.>>I WAS IN ANOTHER CENSUS TOWN, WE WERE JOKING THAT THEY SHOULD DO “I FILLED OUT THE CENSUS STICKER.”>>I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY ABOUT PRINTING THOSE UP. CENSUS AMBASSADOR. I FILLED OUT THE CENSUS. T-SHIRTS.>>IF YOU DON’T WANT SOMEBODY TO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR, FILL IT OUT.>>THEY HAVE CUT BACK ON THE FOLLOW-UP ENUMERATION. THEY SAID THERE WILL BE PANIC BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS THEORY THEY WOULD WARRANT GOING TO SPEND MORE THAN THEY DID IN 2010. AND IT’S RIDICULOUS. WHAT HASN’T GONE UP IN PRICE SINCE 2010?>>THEY ARE HOPING TO DIVERT A LOT OF DEMAND.>>THAT’S THEORETICAL.>>WHEN KEN PRUITT CAME IN, HE INCREASED THE PROGRAM. IF THEY DON’T DO THAT, THE CHANCE OF THE PROPORTION THAT THEY END UP IMPUTING IS GOING TO GO WAY HIGH. SOME PEOPLE HAVE ESTIMATED THAT IT MAY GO FROM UNDER ONE PERCENT TO AS HIGH AS TEN PERCENT. I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE THREE PROBLEMS, THAT IS ONE OF THEM. THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORD, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT MESSING UP THE DISSEMINATION, IT’S PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO DISCUSS THAT. I THINK THE CENSUS IS UNDER THREAT. IN THE 1920 CENSUS, IT WAS REJECTED BY CONGRESS. IT WAS NOT USED. THIS MAY BE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THAT.>>I DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.>>THEY SAID WE ARE NOT DOING IT. WE DON’T LIKE THE RESULTS, SO THEREFORE, WE WON’T DO IT.>>THEY DID NOT REAPPORTION.>>THEY KEPT THE SAME SEATS.>>YES. THAT’S COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.>>YES SIR. TELL US YOUR CAMPUS PLEASE.>>I ATTEND QUEENS COLLEGE. DURING THE DISCUSSION, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS LEAST REPRESENTED IN THE CENSUS. THE CENSUS PLAYS A BIG PART IN PAYING FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, EVEN THOUGH HOUSING TAXES ARE WHAT PAYS FOR OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IF THE NUMBER OF REPRESENTATION IN THE BLACK COMMITTEE GOES UP, WILL SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET ANY BETTER? WILL THE COMMUNITY GET ANY BETTER? WILL CRIME RATES GO DOWN BECAUSE WE WILL GET MORE AID IN THOSE COMMUNITIES?>>OVERALL, THERE WILL BE MORE MONEY. THERE WILL BE MORE MONEY INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE BLACK COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE CITY OF NEW YORK, IN EVERY BOROUGH. BUT THERE HAS TO BE THE WILL OF THE CITY AND STATE TO PUT THE PROGRAMS IN PLACE THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITIES. AND IT’S NOT JUST SAFTEY, PUBLIC SAFTEY, IT’S ACROSS THE BOARD. OUR SCHOOLS HAVE USUALLY THE WORST SCHOOL HOUSES AND THE LEAST EXPERIENCED TEACHERS. AND THE MOST CROWDING. I DON’T WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE STREET IS ON MY BLOCK, IT’S SO BAD THAT CABS DON’T WANT TO RIDE DOWN IT. TRUCKS DON’T WANT TO RIDE DOWN IT. THERE ARE BIG POT HOLES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN FIXED. ALL OF THAT COULD BE FIXED IF ADDITIONAL MONEY CAME IN. BUT THEN, ONCE THE MONEY COMES IN, WE HAVE TO ADVOCATE. THAT WILL HELP US.>>THAT DOESN’T CHANGE POLITICS.>>EVERY TIME EDUCATION ADVOCATES PUSH THE GOVERNOR FOR MORE FUNDING, HE SAYS WE DON’T HAVE THE MONEY. IF YOU’VE GOT BILLIONS MORE IN FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER EXCUSE.>>IT DOES AFFECT POLITICS. IF YOU COUNT MORE PEOPLE IN A DISTRICT, IF YOU MISS THOSE PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE LESS POWER, IT IS AN ALLOCATION OF POWER.>>IT ALSO COMES INTO PLAY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REDISTRICTING, THIS IS POLITICS. WHERE YOU TAKE THOSE NUMBERS, HOW YOU SPLIT UP, YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THOSE NUMBERS. IN 2000, YOU HAD THE SAME 18 MILLION PEOPLE AND THE WAY YOU DIVIDED THEM UP YOU COULD GET A 65 SEAT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY AND A 5 SEAT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE STATE SENATE, IT DIVIDED UP THE SAME PEOPLE. THIS IS THE STARTING POINT. IT’S NOT THE END POINT.>>THIS IS WHY THERE IS SO MUCH EFFORT BEING PUT INTO STOPPING IT. SO WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO SAY, NO, WE COUNT, WE’RE VISIBLE, WE COUNT. WE ARE HERE. COUNT US. AND COUNT EVERYBODY IN OUR HOUSEHOLD.>>GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I CURRENTLY ATTEND MEDGAR EVERS. SO MY QUESTION REALLY PERTAINS TO GENTRIFICATION. HOW IS THE CENSUS BUREAU GOING TO IDENTIFY CASES IF EVERYONE DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR THE CENSUS AND A LOT OF WEST INDIAN IMMIGRANTS, PREFER TO NOT BE BOTHERED BECAUSE OF DEPORTATION AND ALSO THEY FEEL LIKE, WHAT’S THE BOTHER? THEY’RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ANYWAY. SO WITH THE GENTRIFICATION THAT’S HAPPENING NOW, HOW CAN WE BE SURE, IS THERE A WAY TO BREAK THIS DOWN –>>THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS I’M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I AM HERE TO HELP YOU, IT’S NOT THE MOST WELCOME VISIT THERE IS. THAT’S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. THAT’S WHY YOU’VE GOT EFFORTS TO OVERCOME THAT QUESTION.>>IT’S FUNNY. IT’S NOT JUST LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS OF COLOR. IT’S ALSO MIDDLE INCOME AND UPPER MIDDLE INCOME. PEOPLE WON’T RESPOND TO THE CENSUS. THAT’S ABOUT CHANGING –>>IT’S MORE CULTURAL.>>IT’S HOW YOU TELL THEM WHAT IS AT STAKE. ALL THE FUNDING THAT FUNDS SOCIAL SERVICES AND EVERYTHING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.>>THIS GOES TO GENTRIFICATION. FIRST IS, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER, IS THIS, BETTER FOR — AND IS HARLEM STILL A BLACK COMMUNITY? THE CENSUS WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO FILL IT OUT ARE ASIAN OR LATINA OR WHITE PEOPLE. IT WILL BE WHATEVER SAYS IT IS. AND THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY ARGUING WITH THAT. RIGHT HERE, IN MY COMMUNITY, BASED ON THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, THEY TOOK PART OF BEDFORD STUYVESANT WHICH HAS TONS OF POOR PEOPLE IN IT, LIVING IN THEIR FAMILY BROWNSTONE BUT POOR, THEY HAVE THE HOUSE BUT THAT’S ALL THEY HAVE. THEY SAID THAT PART OF IT IS NO LONGER A POVERTY DISTRICTS AND WAS NOT ELIGIBLE TO GET CERTAIN EDUCATIONAL FUNDING, NOT JUST TITLE I, CERTAIN TYPES OF EDUCATIONAL FUNDING, THAT ALREADY HAPPENED BECAUSE OF WHAT CAME OUT OF THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY. WHEN THE CENSUS COMES OUT, IF THAT CONFIRMS IT, THEY WILL NOT GET IT.>>YOU HAVE ISSUES LIKE THE STANDARD METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA, WHICH TAKES IN WESTCHESTER AND MAKES US SEEM AS IF WE HAVE MUCH HIGHER INCOMES. THAT’S AN APPLICATION OF CENSUS DATA. THAT’S A POLITICAL QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO THE BASELINE IS THE COUNT ITSELF. ALL OF THE FIGHTS START THERE.>>IN NEW YORK CITY, WHEN THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING GUESS WERE THEY GET THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? FROM THE CENSUS.>>WELL FROM THE ACS ACTUALLY.>>FROM THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.>>THAT’S ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS OF COURSE IS AFFORDABLE –>>THEY FIGHT OVER, THE AMI, THEY FIGHT OVER — WESTCHESTER HAS ITS OWN, ROCKLAND NOW HAS ITS OWN, I DON’T KNOW, I THINK NEW YORK CITY I DON’T KNOW WHICH PART THEY’RE WITH NOW.>>WE COUNT PARTS OF WESTCHESTER AND STUFF.>>NO. NOT FOR AMI YOU DON’T.>>DON’T WE?>>NO. WESTCHESTER AMI IS LIKE THIS — ROCKLAND IS EVEN HIGHER.>>THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TO IMPRESS UPON OUR VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES THAT THE CENSUS IS AN ACT OF EMPOWERMENT. IT IS CIVIC PARTICIPATION. YOU CAN STAND UP AND BE COUNTED TO SAY I LIVE HERE AND I PAY TAXES AND I AM AMERICAN AND I WANT WAS COMING TO ME.>>IS A BENCHMARK FOR THE POPULATIONS. IF IT’S NOT FILLED OUT, EVEN IF YOU GET INFORMATION, IT WILL AFFECT HOW THE ACS WORKS.>>THIS TIME AROUND, LATINX GET TO PUT THEIR ETHNICITY ALONG WITH THEIR HERITAGE. ASIANS GET TO PUT THEIR ETHNICITY IN AND BLACK PEOPLE GET TO PUT OUR ETHNICITY IN. AND WHITES TOO.>>SO THE NEW ONE IS BLACKS AND WHITES AND I’M ACTUALLY REALLY AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE 330 MILLION FILL IN THE BLANKS.>>I’M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME AND I ALWAYS MAKE DEADLINE. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON CUNY FORUM. [APPLAUSE] ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪

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