LIVE: Michael Cohen testifies before House Oversight Cmte (C-SPAN)

LIVE: Michael Cohen testifies before House Oversight Cmte (C-SPAN)


>>>THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE KMAR IS AUTHORIZED TO DECLARE A RECESS. FULL COMMITTEE HEARING — HEARING THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN. FORMER ATTORNEY TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >>MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. >>YOU WILL STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER RULE 9 F OF THE COMMITTEE RULES SAY THAT ANY TESTIMONY FROM YOUR WITNESS NEEDS TO BE HERE 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. THE COMMITTEE, THE CHAIRMAN KNOWS WELL THAT AT 10:08 WE RECEIVED THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY — AND THEN WE RECEIVED EVIDENCE THIS MORNING AT 7:54. NOW, IF THIS WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I COULD LOOK BEYOND IT. BUT IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT BY THIS WITNESS AND HIS ADVISERS TO ONCE AGAIN SHOW HIS DISGAIN FOR THIS BODY. AND THAT WITH I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS HEARING.>>I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMEN.>>LET ME SAY THAT THIS WE GO THE THE TESTIMONY LATE LAST NIGHT. WE DID. AND WE GOT IT TO YOU ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIME THAT WE GOT IT. I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS HEARING. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE RULE. AND — AND IF IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL I WOULD — I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I’M NOT SAYING IT WAS INTENTIONAL ON YOUR PART. I’M SAYING IT’S INTENTIONAL ON HIS PART, BECAUSE MR. DEAN LAST NIGHT ON A CABLE NEWS NETWORK ACTUALLY MADE IT ALL VERY EVIDENT. JOHN DEAN. I’LL QUOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN. HE SAID, AS A FORMER COMMITTEE COUNSEL IN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY AND THEN A LONG-TERM WITNESS SITTING ALONE AT THE TABLE IS IMPORTANT. QUOTE, HOLDING YOUR STATEMENT AS LONG AS YOU CAN SO THE OTHER SIDE CAN’T CHEW IT UP IS IMPORTANT AS WELL. CLOSE QUOTE. AND SO — SO IT WAS ADVICE THAT OUR WITNESS GOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR BODY. AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU WERE IN THE MINORITY YOU WOULDN’T HAVE STOOD FOR IT. I CAN TELL THAT YOU WE WE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR IT AS A BODY, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>LET ME SAY THIS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YES. >>I MOVE TO TABLE. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JUST A ZBLEEKD MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN I WAS ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE THE MOTION. >>THE VOTE IS SO IN TABLING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. >>YOU KNOW TO HAD TO HEAR THIS CNN HAD IT BEFORE IT WE DID. CNN HAD IT BEFORE I WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED. >>WELL, THE VOTE IS ON TABLING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYEP ALL POPLAWSKIED SAY NO. NO. >>THE AY E. >>I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.>>YES I — I CAN I ASSURE YOU IT’S IN THE RULES. I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIRS. >>DO THE RULES MATTER, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MOVE TO TABLE. >>MOVE TO WAIVE THE RULES. >>THERE IS A EXPLOSION. >>MOVE TO TABLE. >>THE VOTE IS — THE VOTE. >>SHE MADE TWO MOTIONS WHAT’S THE MOTION. >>THE VOTE IS ON TABLING. >>I MOVE TO TABLE THE APPEAL TO THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.>>THE VOTE IS ON THAT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYEE. >>ALL OPPOSED SAY NO. >>THE AYES. >>ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>VERY WELL, THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLE.>>MR. CUMMINGS.>>YES. >>MR. CUMMINGS VOTES YES. MISS MALONEY. >>YES. >>MISS MALONEY VOTES YES. MISS NORTON MISS NORTON VOTES YES. MR. CLAY. MR. CLAY VOTES YES. MR. LYNCH >>AY E ZBLCHLT MR. KEEPER VOTES YES PLP CONNOLLY. >>IP AY ZBLEECHLT MR. CHRIS KRISHNAMOORTHI. MR. RASKIN. MR. RAFIQNESS VOITS YES. >>ROUDA. >>MR. ROUD AIF VETS OWE. MISS HILL. >>MISS HILL VOTES YES. MR. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. >>MISS WASSERMAN SCHULTZ VOELTZ YES. MR. SARBANES JETS YES. MR. WELSCH MR. WELCH VOTES YES PROCESS PLACE SPOOE YETS VOE MR. KELLY. YAY. >>MITTSDY SAWN YESES VOTES YES. PLACE LAWRENCE MISS LAWRENCE VOITS YES. >>PLASKETT. VOTES YES. MR. CONA MR. KAHNA VOTES YES MR. GOMEZ. MR. GOMEZ VOTES YES. MISS OCASIO-CORTEZ VOTES YES. MISS PRESSLEY MISS PRESSLEY THE VOTES YES. MISCELLANEOUS DLAB. VOTES YES. MR. JORDAN. MR. JORDAN JOETS NO. >>MR. THE AMASH VOTES KNOW MR. GOSAR. MR. GOSAR VETS NO MISS FOXX. >>NO. >>MISS FOXX VOTES KNOW. >>MASSEY MR. MASSEY VOTES NO MR. MEADOWS NO. >>NO MR. MEADOWS VOTES KNOW. >>HICE VOTES KNOW. >>GROTHMAN. >>NO. >>MR. GROTHMAN VOTES NO. >>COMER. >>MR. COME HE WERE VOTES NO. >>CLOUD NO. >>MR. CLOUD VOTESIO. >>GIBBS FWL GIBBS VOTES NO MR. HIGGINS MR. NORMAN NO. >>MR. HIRMEN VOTES NO. >>MR. ROY VOTES NO HAVE MISS MILLER. >>NO. >>MISS MILLER VOTES KNOW. >>GREEN. >>MR. GREEN VOTES KNOW. >>MR. ARMSTRONG VOTES NO. MR. STEUBE VETS NO.>>ON THIS VOTE WE HAVE 24 YES, 17 NOs.>>THE MOTION TO TABLE IS AGREED TO. THE LET ME SAY THIS. YOU MADE IT CLEAR THAT DID YOU NOT WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HAERP WHAT MR. COHEN HAS TO SAY. BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR HIM. SO WE’RE GOING TO PROCEED. THE MERP PEOPLE CAN JUDGE HIS CREDIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES. NOW. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>YES. >>WE DID NOT SAY THAT WE SAID WE WANTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES. WE DIDN’T SAY STOP THE HEARING JUST POSTPONE IT SO WE CAN GET HIS TESTIMONY AND EXHIBITS WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET THEM ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE COMMITTEE. THAT’S ALL WE SAID WE DIDN’T SAY WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE. >>GUY. >>Le CLAIMING THE TIME I RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR FIVE MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT. TODAY THE COMMITTEE WILL HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S LONGTIME PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND ONE OF HIS CLOSEST AND MOST TRUSTED ADVISERS OVER THE LAST DECADE. THE ON AUGUST 231st MR. COHEN APPEARED IN FEDERAL COURT AND ADMITTED TO ARRANGING SECRET PAYOFFS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION TO SILENCE WOMEN ALLEGING AFFAIRS WITH DONALD TRUMP. MR. COHEN ADMITTED TO VIOLATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS AND OTHER LAWS. HE ADMITTED TO COMMITTING THESE FELONIES, QUOTE, IN COORDINATION WITH AND AT THE DIRECTION OF, UNQUOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND HE ADMITTED — HE ADMITTED TO LYING ABOUT HIS ACTIONS TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. SOME WILL CERTAINLY ASK IF MR. COHEN WAS LYING THEN, WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE HIM NOW?>>IN IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. AS A TRIAL LAWYER FOR MANY YEARS, I FACED THIS SITUATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. HERE IS HOW I VIEW OUR ROLE. EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM HAS A DUTY TO SERVE AS AN INDEPENDENT CHECK ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE MANY STATEMENTS OF HIS OWN. AND NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE. THEY CAN WATCH MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY AND MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT. WE RECEIVED A COPY OF MR. COHEN’S WRIP STATEMENT LATE LAST NIGHT, INCLUDING NOT ONLY PERSON EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS OF MEETINGS WITH DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES DOCUMENTS AND OTHER CORROBORATING EVIDENCE FOR SOME OF MR. COHEN’S STATEMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, MR. COHEN HAS PROVIDED A CUP OF A CHECK SENT WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE WITH DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE ON IT TO REIMBURSE MR. COHEN FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. THIS IS NEW — THIS IS NEW EVIDENCE RAISES A HOST OF TROUBLING LEGAL AND ETHICAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND BEFORE. WOULD YOU ALL CLOSE THAT DOOR, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THIS CHECK IS DATED AUGUST 1st, 2017. SIX MONTHS LATER IN APRIL OF 2018 THE PRESIDENT DENIED ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IN APRIL OF 2018 PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS FLYING ON AIR FORCE ONE WHEN A REPORTER ASKED HIM THE QUESTION, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT $130,000 PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS? THE ANSWER WAS, QUOTE, NO. A MONTH AFTER THAT, THE PRESIDENT ADMITTED TO MAKING PAYMENTS TO MR. COHEN BUT CLAIMED THEY WERE PART OF A, QUOTE, A MONTHLY RETAINER, UNQUOTE, FOR LEGAL SERVICES. IN CLAIM FELL APART IN AUGUST WHEN FEDERAL PROSECUTORS CONCLUDED — AND I QUOTE, IN TRUTH, AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER AGREEMENT, END OF QUOTE. TODAY, WE ALSO HEAR MR. COHEN’S ACCOUNT OF A MEETING IN 2016 IN DONALD TRUMP’S OFFICE DURING WHICH ROGER STONE SAID, OVER SPEAKER PHONE, THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKEN WITH JULIANNE ASSANGE, WHO SAID THERE WOULD BE A QUOTE, MASSIVE DUMP OF EMAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN, END OF QUOTE. ACCORDING TO COHEN, MR. TRUMP APPLIED, QUOTE, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. END OF QUOTE. THE TESTIMONY THAT MICHAEL COHEN WILL PROVIDE TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS DEEPLY DISTURBING. AND IT SHOULD BE TROUBLING TO ALL AMERICANS. WE WILL ALL HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN EVALUATION ABOUT THE EVIDENCE AND MR. COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. AS HE ADMITS, HE HAS REPEATEDLY LIED IN THE PAST. I AGREE WITH RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR WE NEED TO WEIGH. BUT WE MUST WEIGH IT AND WE MUST HEAR FROM HIM. BUT WHERE I DISAGREE FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THE RANKING MEMBER INVOLVES HIS EFFORTS TO PREVENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM HEARING FROM MR. COHEN. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY RAISES GRAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CONDUCT AND THE TRUTHFULNESS OF STATEMENTS WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. WE NEED TO ASSESS AND INVESTIGATE THIS NEW EVIDENCE AS WE UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES. AND WE WILL CONTINUE AFTER TODAY TO GATHER MORE DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY IN OUR SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. I HAD MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO MR. COHEN THAT IF HE COMES HERE TODAY AND HE DOES NOT TELL HIM THE TRUTH — TELL US THE TRUTH, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO REFER THAT — THOSE UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENTS TO DOJ. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY HE DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE, HE DOES HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF HE LIES. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BY THE WAY, VOTED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN NOVEMBER. AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR MR. COHEN IN PUBLIC SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENTS. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. NOT THE END. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE DAYS OF IN COMMITTEE PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT AT ALL COSTS ARE OVER. THEY’RE OVER. BEFORE I CLOSE, I WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THE SCOPE OF TODAY’S HEARING. AT THE REQUEST OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, MY VERY GOOD FRIEND ADAM SCHIFF, CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF, THE CHAIRMAN. I INTENDED OVER THE OBJECTIONS OF THE RANKING MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THE HEARING TO AVOID QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. HOWEVER, MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY — IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY HE HAS MADE STATEMENTS RELATING TO RUSSIA. AND THESE ARE TOPICS THAT WE UNDERSTAND DO NOT RAISE CONCERN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. SO IN FAIRNESS TO THE RANKING MEMBER AND ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE WILL NOT RESTRICT QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE WITNESS’S TESTIMONY OR RELATED QUESTIONS HE IS WILLING TO ANSWER. FINALLY, I REMIND MEMBERS THAT WE WILL NEED TO REMAIN MINDFUL OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE ONGOING DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATIONS. THOSE SCOPING LIMITATIONS HAVE NOT CHANGED. FINALLY, AND TO MR. COHEN, MARTIN LUTHER KING MR. COHEN SAID SOME WORDS I LEAVE WITH YOU TODAY BEFORE YOU TESTIFY. HE SAID, FAITH IS TAKING THE FIRST STEP. EVEN WHEN YOU CAN’T SEE THE WHOLE STAIRCASE. THERE COMES A TIME WHEN SILENCE BECOMES BETRAYAL. OUR LAWS BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT TRULY MATTER. IN THE END, HE SAYS, WE WILL REMEMBER NOT THE WORDS OF OUR ENEMIES BUT THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS. AND WITH THAT, I YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN, THE RANKING MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE, MR. JORDEN>>MR. CHAIRMAN. POINT OF PARLIAMENT INQUIRY. >>YES. >>TO THE POINT. >>MR. JORDAN IS RECOGNIZED.>>MR. JORDAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR HIS OPENING STATEMENT. >>MR. CHAIRMAN HERE WE GO.>>HERE WE GO. FOR BIG HEARING FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS MICHAEL COHEN. I WANT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM THE FIRPS ANNOUNCED WITNESS FOR THE 116th CONGRESS IS A GUY GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR CHAIRMANSHIP WILL ALWAYS BE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS HEARING. AND WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS THE MICHAEL COHEN HEARING PRESENTED BY LANNY DAVIS. THAT’S RIGHT. LANNY DAVIS, CHOREOGRAPHED THE WHOLE THING. THE LET’S BESTED THE FRIEND, OPERATIVE, LANNY DAVIS YOU KNOW HOW WE KNOW? HE TOLD OUR STAFF. HE TOLD THE COMMITTEE STAFF SAID THE HEARING WAS HIS IDEA HE HAD TO TALK MICHAEL COHEN INTO COMING AND HE HAD TO PERSUADE THE CHAIRMAN TO HAVE IT. HE TOLD UTS TOOK TWO MONTHS TO GET THE JOB DONE. BUT HERE WE ARE. HE TALKED HIM INTO IT. THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS HAS APPEARED AGAIN SO QUICKLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. CERTAINLY IT’S THE FIRST TIME A CONVICTED PERJURER HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO BE A STAR WITNESS IN A HEARING. AND THERE IS A REASON THIS IS A FIRST. BECAUSE NO OTHER COMMITTEE WOULD DO IT. THINK ABOUT THIS. WITH MR. COHEN HERE THIS COMMITTEE — HE WE GOT LOTS OF LAWYERS ON THIS COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE IS ACTUALLY ENCOURAGING A WITNESS TO VIOLATE ATTORNEY CLINTON PRIVILEGE. MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN WE LEGISLATE IMIZE DISHONESTDY WE DELEGISLATE IMIZE THIS INSTITUTION. YOU HAVE STACKED THE DECK AGAINST THE TRUTH ONLY ALLOWED TO ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS EVEN WITH THE AMENDMENT YOU TOLD US ABOUT RUSSIA IS ON THE TABLE. YOU INITIALLY TOLD US YOU WE CAN’T ASK QUESTION BASE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. NOPE, NOPE, THE ONLY SUBJECTS WE CAN TALK ABOUT ARE ONES YOU THINK ARE GOING TO BE HARMFUL TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME FROM A GUY WHO CAN’T BE TRUSTED. HERE IS WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID ABOUT MR. COHEN. WHILE MR. COHEN ENJOYED A PRIVILEGED LIFE HIS ZOIR FOREVER GREATER WEALTH AND INFLUENCE THE PRECIPITATED AN INTENSIVE COURSE OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT. MR. COHEN COMMITTED FOUR DISTINCT FEDERAL CRIMES OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEAR, MOTIVATED TO DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND REPEATEDLY — REPEATEDLY USED HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE FOR DECEPTIVE ENDS BUT THE DEMOCRATS DON’T CARE. THEY DON’T CARE. THEY JUST WANT TO USE YOU, MR. COHEN. YOU’RE THEIR PATSY TODAY. THEY GOT TO FIND SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE TO SAY SOMETHING SO THEY CAN TRY TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM OFFICE. BECAUSE TOM STYER TOLD THEM TO. TOM STYER LAST WEEK ORGANIZED THE TOWNHALL, GUESS WHERE? CHAIRMAN NADLANDER’S DISTRICT IN MANHATTAN. TWO NIGHTS AGO TOM STYER ORGANIZED A TOWNHALL, GUESS WHERE? CHAIRMAN CUMMING’S DISTRICT IN BALTIMORE. THE BEST THEY CAN FIND, THE BEST THEY CAN FIND TO START THIS PROCESS, MICHAEL COHEN. FRAUDS AT THETER, IN TWO MONTHS A FEDERAL INMATE. THEY DIDN’T FIND HIM LANNY DAVIS DID. I’LL SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS THEY STICK TO THE PLAYBOOK. REMEMBER HOW THIS STARTED. THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN HIRED PERKINS COOY LAW FIRM WHO HIRED GLENN SIFRPD WHO HIRED CHRISTOPHER STOOEFL WHO PUT TOGETHER THE FAKE DOSSIER THOUGH THAT THE FIFLK USED TO GET A WARRANT OH SPY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. WHEN THE SCHEME FAILED AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAID WE’RE MAKING DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENT, THEY SAID WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. SO NOW CLINTON OILIST CLINTON OPERATIVE LANNY DAVIS PERSUADED THE CHAIRMAN OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO GIVE A CONVICTED FELON A FORUM TO TELL STORIES AND LIE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO THEY CAN ALL START THEIR IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. I YIELD BACK.>>I WANTED TO NOTE. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, UPPER-LEVEL — I HAVE A MOTION. >>YIELD BACK. >>I HAVE A MOTION. THE GENTLEMEN IS RECOGNIZED. >>I HAVE A MOTION UNDER RULE 2 K ZBLIEKS YOU FIELDED BACK, ZBLIER MR. CHAIRMAN YOU TOOK 7 MINUTES I TOOK FOUR. >>WELL THE GENTLEMAN YIELDED BACK. >>THAT’S HOW YOU OPERATE FIRST YOU DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO SAY YOU DON’T GET — YOU GET TO. >>POINT OF ORDER. >>YOU GET TO DEVIATE FROM THE RULES. >>REGULAR ORDER.>>I JUST HAVE A SIMPLE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU.>>IT’S A POINT OF ORDER TO HAVE THE TESTIMONY 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. >>I WANTED TO NOTE. >>WE’VE ADDRESSED THAT. >>UNDER RULE 114, ALL MEDIA AND PHOTOGRAPHERS MUST BE OFFICIALLY CREDENTIALED TO RECORD THESE PROCEEDINGS AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS. I ALSO WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE SPECTATORS IN THE HEARING ROOM TODAY. WE WELCOME YOU AND WE RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO BE HERE. WE ALSO ASK IN TURN FOR YOUR RESPECT AS WE PROCEED WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMITTEE TODAY. IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE COMMITTEE TO PROCEED WITHOUT ANY DISRUPTIONS. ANY DISRUPTIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL RESULT IN THE UNITED STATES CAPITOL POLICE RESTORING ORDER AND PROTESTERS WILL BE REMOVED. AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY AND YOUR COOPERATION. NOW I WANT TO WELCOME MR. COHEN AND THANK HIM FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY’S HEARING. MR. COHEN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RICE AND I WILL BEGIN TO SWEAR YOU IN. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? LET THE RECORD SHOW THE WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE MICRONS ARE SENSITIVE TO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THEM. WITHOUT OBJECTION YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD. WITH THAT, MR. COHEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED TO GIVE AN ORAL PRESENTATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY. IS YOUR MIC ON?>>YES. >>CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. I HAVE ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT MY FAMILY BE PROTECTED FROM PRESIDENTIAL THREATS AND THAT THE COMMITTEE BE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I AM HERE UNDER OATH TO CORRECT THE RECORD, TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS TRUTHFULLY AND TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY DOUBT AND ATTACK ME ON MY CREDIBILITY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT I HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS OPENING STATEMENT DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ERR REFUTABLE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE INFORMATION YOU WILL HEAR IS ACCURATE AND TRUTHFUL. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I IMAGINE WHEN I ACCEPTED A JOB IN 2007 TO WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP THAT HE WOULD ONE DAY RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY. TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN ON A PLATFORM OF HATE AND INTOLERANCE AND ACTIVELY WIN. I REGRET THE DAY I SAID YES TO MR. TRUMP. I REGRET ALL THE HELP AND SUPPORT I GAVE HIM ALONG THE WAY. I AM ASHAMED OF MY OWN FAILINGS AND PUBLICLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM BY PLEADING GUILTY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. “I” ASHAMED OF MY WEAKNESS AND MY MISPLACED LOYALTY, OF THE THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE HIM. “I” ASHAMED THAT I CHOSE TO TAKE PART IN CONCEALING MR. TRUMP’S ILLICIT ACTS RATHER THAN LISTENING TO MY CONSCIENCE. “I” ASHAMED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MR. TRUMP IS. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CONMAN, AND HE IS A CHEAT. HE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO KNEW THAT ROGERER STONE WAS TALKING WITH JULIAN ASSANGE ABOUT A WIKILEAKS DROP ON DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE EMAILS. I WILL EXPLAIN EACH IN A FEW MOMENTS. I AM PROVIDING THE COMMITTEE TODAY WITH SEVERAL DOCUMENTS. AND THESE INCLUDE A COPY OF A CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. COPIES OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013. THAT HE GAVE TO SUCH INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS DEUTSCHE BANK. A COPY OF AN ARTICLE WITH MR. TRUMP’S HANDWRITING ON IT THAT REPORTED ON THE AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF HIMSELF. THAT HE ARRANGED FOR THE BIDDER AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN REIMBURSED THE BIDDER FROM THE ACCOUNT OF HIS NON-PROFIT CHARITABLE FOUNDATION WITH THE PICTURE NOW HANGING IN ONE OF HIS COUNTRY CLUBS. AND COPIES OF LETTERS I WROTE AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THAT THREATENED HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGES AND THE COLLEGE BOARD NOT TO RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. I HOPE MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY, MY GUILTY PLEA AND WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE STEPS ALONG A PATH OF REDEMPTION THAT WILL RESTORE FAITH IN ME AND HELP THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND OUR PRESIDENT BETTER. AND BEFORE GOING FURTHER, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH MEMBER, TO YOU AS CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. THE LAST TIME I APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS I CAME TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. TODAY, I AM HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. IN CONVERSATIONS WE HAD DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AT THE SAME TIME I WAS ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA FOR HIM, HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN BUSINESS. AND THEN GO ON TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY SAYING THE SAME THING. IN HIS WAY, HE WAS TELLING ME TO LIE. THERE WERE AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN JANUARY OF 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE WHEN HE WOULD ASK ME, HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA, REFERRING TO THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT? YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE IT. SO TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT, BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. AND SO I LIED ABOUT IT TOO. BECAUSE MR. TRUMP HAD MADE CLEAR TO ME THROUGH HIS PERSONAL STATEMENTS TO ME THAT WE BOTH KNEW TO BE FALSE. AND THREW HIS LIES TO THE COUNTRY THAT HE WANTED ME TO LIE. AND HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME BECAUSE HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEYS REVIEWED MY STATEMENT BEFORE I GAVE IT TO CONGRESS. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS I HAVE BEEN SMEARED AS A RAT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE TRUTH IS MUCH DIFFERENT. AND LET ME TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS MICHAEL DEAN COHEN. AND I AM A BLESSED HUSBAND OF 24 YEARS AND A FATHER TO AN INCREDIBLE DAUGHTER AND SON. WHEN I MARRIED MY WIFE, I PROMISED HER THAT I WOULD LOVE HER. I WOULD CHERISH HER, AND I WOULD PROTECT HER. AS MY FATHER SAID COUNTLESS TIMES THROUGHOUT MY CHILDHOOD, YOU MY WIFE AND YOU MY CHILDREN ARE THE AIR THAT I BREATHE. SO MY LAURA AND TO MY SAMI AND TO MY JAKE, THERE IS NOTHING I WOULDN’T DO TO PROTECT YOU. I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO LIVE A LIFE OF LOYALTY, FRIENDSHIP, GENEROSITY AND COMPASSION. IT’S QUALITIES MY PARENTS INGRAINED IN MY SIBLINGS AND ME SINCE CHILDHOOD. MY FATHER SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST. THANKS TO THE COMPASSION AND SELFLESS ACTS OF OTHERS. HE WAS HELPED BY MANY WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM’S WAY TO DO WHAT THEY KNEW WAS RIGHT. AND THAT IS WHY MY FIRST INSTINCT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HELP THOSE IN NEED. AND MOM AND DAD, I AM SORRY I LET YOU DOWN. AS THE MANY PEOPLE WHO THAT KNOW ME BEST WOULD SAY, I AM THE PERSON THAT THEY CALL AT 3:00 A.M. IF THEY NEEDED HELP. AND I PROUDLY REMEMBER BEING THE EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR MANY OF MY CHILDREN’S FRIENDS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP, BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS KNEW THAT I WOULD DROP EVERYTHING AND CARE FOR THEM AS IF THEY WERE MY OWN. YET LAST FALL I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF, AT THE DIRECTION OF AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE. AND FOR THE RECORD, INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IS PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. IT IS PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT I WAS MOTIVATED BY AMBITION AT TIMES. IT IS EVEN MORE PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT MANY TIMES I IGNORED MY CONSCIENCE AND ACTED LOYAL TO A MAN WHEN I SHOULD NOT HAVE. SITTING HERE TODAY, IF SEEMS UNBELIEVABLE THAT I WAS SO MESMERIZED BY DONALD TRUMP, THAT I WAS WILLING TO DO THINGS FOR HIM THAT I KNEW WERE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE COME HERE TO APOLOGIZE TO MY FAMILY, TO MY GOVERNMENT, AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ACCORDINGLY, LET ME NOW TELL YOU ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL, WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS HAYES EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND SPECIAL COUNSEL. AND THEN AS PERSONAL ATTORNEY WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. WHEN I FIRST MET MR. TRUMP, HE WAS A SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR, A REAL ESTATE GIANT. AND AN ICON. BEING AROUND MR. TRUMP WAS INTOXICATESING. . WHEN I WERE IN HIS PRESENCE YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF. THAT YOU WERE SOMEHOW CHANGING THE WORLD. I WOUND UP TOUTING THE TRUMP NARRATIVE FOR OVER A DECADE. THAT WAS MY JOB. ALWAYS STAY ON MESSAGE. ALWAYS DEFEND. IT MONOPOLIZED MY LIFE. AT FIRST, I WORKED MOSTLY ON REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS. SHORTLY THERE AFTER, MR. TRUMP BROUGHT ME INTO HIS PERSONAL ALIVE AND PRIVATE DEALINGS. OVER TIME, I SAW HIS TRUE CHARACTER REVEALED. MR. TRUMP IS AN ENIGMA. HE IS COMPLICATED, AS AM I. HE IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD, AS DO WE ALL. BUT THE BAD FOUR OUTWEIGHS THE GOOD. AND SINCE TAKING OFFICE, HE HAS BECOME THE WORST VERSION OF HIMSELF. HE IS CAPABLE OF BEHAVING KINDLY, BUT HE IS NOT KIND. HE IS CAPABLE OF COMMITTING ACTS OF GENEROSITY, BUT HE IS NOT GENEROUS. HE IS CAPABLE OF BEING LOYAL. BUT HE IS FUNDAMENTALLY DISLOYAL. DONALD TRUMP IS A MAN WHO RAN FOR OFFICE TO MAKE HIS BRAND GREAT, NOT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT. HE HAD NO DESIRE OR INTENTION TO LEAD THIS NATION, ONLY TO MARKET HIMSELF AND BUILD HIS WEALTH AND POWER. MR. TRUMP WOULD OFTEN SAY THIS CAMPAIGN WAS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST INFOMERCIAL POLITICAL HISTORY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE PRIMARY, NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. THE CAMPAIGN FOR HIM WAS ALWAYS A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY. I KNEW EARLY ON IN MY WORK FOR MR. TRUMP THAT HE WOULD DIRECT ME TO LIE TO FURTHER HIS BUSINESS INTERESTS. AND I AM ASHAMED TO SAY THAT WHEN IT WAS FOR A REAL ESTATE MOGUL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR I CONSIDERED IT TRIVIAL. AS THE PRESIDENT, I CONSIDER IT SIGNIFICANT AND DANGEROUS. BUT IN THE MIX, LYING FOR MR. TRUMP WAS NORMALIZED AND NO ONE AROUND HIM QUESTIONED IT. IN FAIRNESS, NO ONE AROUND HIM TODAY QUESTIONS IT EITHER. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT WHETHER MR. TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THE RELEASE OF THE HACKED DOCUMENTS, DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE E-MAILS AHEAD OF TIME. AND THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I EARLIER STATED, MR. TRUMP KNEW FROM ROGER STONE IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DROP OF EMAILS. IN JULY OF 10U6R, DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY NOUNSED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. TRUMP PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKER PHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH MR. ASSANGE. AND MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF EMAIL THAT IS WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT, WOULDN’T BE THAT GREAT. MR. TRUMP IS A RACIST. THE COUNTRY HAS SEEN MR. TRUMP COURT WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND BIGOTS. YOU HAVE HEARD HIM CALL POORER COUNTRIES “SHITHOLE”S. S IN PRIVATE HE IS WORSE. HE ASKED ME IF I COULD NAME A COUNTRY RUN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WENT A “SHITHOLE.” THIS WAS WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND WHILE WE WERE DRIVING THROUGH A STRUGGLING NEIGHBORHOOD IN CHICAGO, HE COMMENTED THAT ONLY BLACK PEOPLE COULD LIVE THAT WAY. AND HE TOLD ME THAT BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STUPID. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CHEAT. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, I AM GIVING TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY THREE YEARS OF MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013 WHICH HE GAVE TO DEUTSCHE BANK TO CHOIR ABOUT A LOAN TO BUY THE BUFFALO BILLS AND TO FORBES. THESE ARE EXHIBITS 1 A, 1 B AND 1 C TO MY TESTIMONY. IT WAS MY EXPERIENCE THAT MR. TRUMP INFLATED HIS TOTAL ASSETS WHEN IT SERVED HIS PURPOSES. SUCH AS TRYING TO BE LISTED AMONGST THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN FORBES AND DEFLATE THE HIS ASSETS TO REDUCE HIS REAL ESTATE TAXES. I AM SHARING WITH YOU TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, SIDE BY SIDE, THAT ARE EXAMPLES OF MR. TRUMP INFLATING AND DEFLATING HIS ASSETS, AS I SAID, TO SUIT HIS FINANCIAL INTERESTS. NIECE ARE EXHIBIT 2 TO MY TESTIMONY. AS I NOTED, I AM GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY AN ARTICLE HE WROTE ON AND SENT TO ME THAT REPORTED ON AN AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP. IN IS EXHIBIT 3 A TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO FIND A STRAW BIDDER OF HIM TO PURCHASE A PORTRAIT OF HIM BEING AXED OFF AT A ART HAMPTONS EVENT. THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO ENSURE THE PORTRAIT AUCTIONED LAST WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE OF ANY PORTRAIT THAT AFTERNOON. THE PORTRAIT WAS PURCHASED BY THE FAKE BIDDER FOR $60,000. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED THE TRUMP FOUNDATION WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION, TO REPAY THE FAKE BIDDER, DESPITE KEEPING THE ART FOR HIMSELF. AND PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT 3 B TO MY TESTIMONY. AND IT SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE THAT ONE OF MY MORE COMMON RESPONSIBILITIES WAS THAT MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO CALL BUSINESS OWNERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE SMALL BUSINESSES, THAT WERE OWED MONEY FOR SERVICES AND TOLD THEM THAT NO PAYMENT OR A REDUCED PAYMENT WOULD BE COMING. WHEN I ASKED MR. TRUMP — WHEN I TOLD MR. TRUMP OF MY SUCCESS, HE ACTUALLY REVELED IN IT. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CONMAN. HE ASKED ME TO PAY OFF AN ADULT FILM STAR WITH WHOM HE HAD AN AFFAIR AND TO LIE ABOUT IT TO HIS WIFE, WHICH I DID. AND LYING TO THE FIRST LADY IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST REGRETS, BECAUSE SHE IS A KIND, GOOD PERSON. AND I RESPECT HER GREATLY. AND SHE DID NOT DESERVE THAT. AND I AM GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY A COPY OF THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER FROM ME TO MISS CLIFFORD’S ATTORNEY DURING THE CLOSING DAYS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT WAS DEMANDED BY MISS CLIFFORD TO MAINTAIN HER SILENCE ABOUT HER AFFAIR WITH MR. TRUMP. AND THIS IS EXHIBIT 4 TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN. AND I DID THAT TOO. WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR HOW IT WOULD IMPACT ME, MY FAMILY OR THE PUBLIC. AND I AM GOING TO JAIL IN PART BECAUSE OF MY DECISION TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT PAYMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE ANY VOTED A FEW DAYS LATER. AS EXHIBIT 5 A TO MY TESTIMONY SHOWS, “I” PROVIDING A COPY OF A $35,000 CHECK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY SIGNED FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT ON AUGUST 1st OF 2017. WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PURSUANT TO THE COVER-UP WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF MY GUILTY PLEA TO REIMBURSE ME THE WORD USED BY MR. TRUMP’S TV LAWYER FOR THE ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY I PAID ON HIS BEHALF. THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF 11 CHECK STLAM MTS THAT WAS PAID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG. AND SEE FOR THAT EXAMPLE 5 B. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. AND YOU CAN FIND THE DETAILS OF THAT SCHEME DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP IN THE PLEADINGS IN THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SO PICTURE IN SCENE. IN FEBRUARY OF 2017, ONE MONTH INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, I’M VISITING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND IT’S TRULY YOU A INSPIRING. HE IS SHOWING ME ALL AROUND AND POINTING TO DIFFERENT PAINTINGS. AND HE SAYS TO ME SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. THEY WERE FEDEXED FROM NEW YORK. AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THAT TO GET THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE SYSTEM. AS HE PROMISED, I RECEIVED THE FIRST CHECK FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF $70,000 NOT LONG THERE AFTER. WHEN I SAY CONMAN, I’M TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO DECLARES HIMSELF BRILLIANT BUT DIRECTED ME TO THREATEN HIS HIGH SCHOOL, HIS COLLEGES, AND THE COLLEGE BOARD TO NEVER RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. AS I MENTIONED, I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY COPIES OF A LETTER I SENT AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION, THREATENING THESE SCHOOLS WITH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS IF MR. TRUMP’S GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES WERE EVER DISCLOSED WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION. AND THESE ARE UNDER EXHIBIT 6. THE IRONY WASN’T LOST ON ME AT THE TIME THAT MR. TRUMP IN 2011 HAD STRONGLY CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR NOT RELEASING HIS GRADES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN EXHIBIT 7, MR. TRUMP DECLARED, LET HIM SHOW HIS RECORDS. AFTER CALLING PRESIDENT OBAMA A TERRIBLE STUDENT. THE SAD FACT IS THAT I NEVER HEARD MR. TRUMP SAY ANYTHING IN PRIVATE THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE HE LOVED OUR NATION OR WANTED TO MAKE IT BETTER. IN FACT, HE DID THE OPPOSITE. WHEN TELLING ME IN 2008 OR 2009 THAT HE WAS CUTTING EMPLOYEES SALARIES IN HALF, INCLUDING MINE, HE SHOWED ME WHAT HE CLAIM WAS A $10 MILLION IRS TAX REFUND AND SAID HE COULDN’T BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE GOVERNMENT WAS FOR GIVING SOMEONE LIKE HIM THAT MUCH MONEY BACK. DURING THE CAMPAIGN, MR. TRUMP SAID HE DID NOT CONSIDER VIETNAM VETERAN AND PRISONER OF WAR SENATOR JOHN McCAIN TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HE LIKES PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T CAPTURED. AT THE SAME TIME, MR. TRUMP TASKED ME TO HANDLE THE NEGATIVE PRESS SURROUNDING HIS MEDICAL DEFERMENT FROM THE VIETNAM DRAFT. MR. TRUMP CLAIMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF A BONE SPUR. BUT WHEN I ASKED FOR MEDICAL RECORDS, HE GAVE ME NONE. AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NO SURGERY. HE TOLD ME NOT TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BY REPORTERS BUT RATHER OFFER SIMPLY, THE FACT THAT HE RECEIVED A MEDICAL DEFERMENT. HE FINISHED THE CONVERSATION THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, YOU THINK I’M STUPID? I’M NOT GOING TO VIETNAM. AND I FIND IT IRONIC, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT YOU ARE IN VIETNAM RIGHT NOW. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT WHETHER I KNOW OF DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP OR HIS CAMPAIGN COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA. I DO NOT. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. BUT I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS. SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017 I READ ALL OVER THE MEDIA THAT THERE HAD BEEN A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER IN JUNE OF 2016 INVOLVING DON JUNIOR AND OTHERS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WITH RUSSIANS INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND AN E-MAIL SETTING UP THE MEETING WITH THE SUBJECT LINE, “DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.” SOMETHING CLICKED IN MY MIND. I REMEMBERED BEING IN A ROOM WITH MR. TRUMP PROBABLY IN EARLY JUNE OF 2016, WHEN SOMETHING PECULIAR HAPPENED. DONALD TRUMP, JR. CAME INTO THE ROOM AND WALKED BEHIND HIS FATHER’S DESK, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE JUST DIDN’T WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S DESK TO TALK TO HIM. I RECALL DON JUNIOR LEANING OVER TO HIS FATHER AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE, WHICH I COULD CLEARLY HEAR, AND SAYING, THE MEETING IS ALL SET AND I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP SAYING, OKAY, GOOD. LET ME KNOW. WHAT STRUCK ME AS I LOOKED BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN DON JUNIOR AND HIS FATHER WAS FIRST, THAT MR. TRUMP HAD FREQUENTLY TOLD ME AND OTHERS THAT HIS SON DON JUNIOR HAD THE WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD. AND ALSO, THAT DON JUNIOR WOULD NEVER SET UP ANY MEETING OF SIGNIFICANCE ALONE, AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS FATHER. I ALSO KNEW THAT NOTHING WENT ON IN TRUMP WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN, WITHOUT MR. TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL. SO I CONCLUDED THAT DON JUNIOR WAS REFERRING TO THAT JUNE 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING ABOUT DIRT ON HILLARY WITH THE RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHEN HE WALKED BEHIND HIS DAD’S DESK THAT DAY AND THAT MR. TRUMP KNEW THAT WAS THE MEETING DON JUNIOR WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAID, THAT’S GOOD, LET ME KNOW. OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO, I HAVE DONE SO REAL SOUL SEARCHING. I SEE NOW THAT MY AMBITION AND THE INTOXICATION OF TRUMP POWER HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THE BAD DECISIONS IN PART THAT I MADE. TO YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AND RANKING MEMBER JORDAN AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, I AM SORRY FOR MY LIES AND FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. AND TO OUR NATION, I AM SORRY FOR ACTIVELY WORKING TO HIDE FROM YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHEN YOU NEEDED IT MOST. FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION MY MOTIVES FOR BEING HERE TODAY, I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE LIED, BUT I AM NOT A LIAR. I HAVE DONE BAD THINGS, BUT I AM NOT A BAD MAN. I HAVE FIXED THINGS, BUT I AM NO LONGER YOUR FIXER, MR. TRUMP. I AM GOING TO PRISON AND HAVE SHATTERED THE SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT I TRIED SO HARD TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY. MY TESTIMONY CERTAINLY DOES NOT DIMINISH THE PAIN THAT I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS, NOTHING CAN DO THAT. I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR, NOR WOULD I ACCEPT, A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND BY COMING TODAY, I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY TO BE THE TARGET OF PERSONAL, SCURRY LUS ATTACKS BY THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYER, TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME FROM APPEARING BEFORE THIS PANEL. MR. TRUMP CALLED ME A RAT FOR CHOOSING TO TELL THE TRUTH, MUCH LIKE A MOBSTER WOULD DO WHEN ONE OF HIS MEN DECIDES TO COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AS EXHIBIT 8 SHOWS, I HAVE PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF TWEETS THAT MR. TRUMP POSTED, ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY, ONLY SOMEONE BURYING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE — ENCOURAGEMENT TO SOMEONE TO DO HARM TO ME AND MY FAMILY. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT HE WOULD ENGAGE IN VICIOUS, FALSE ATTACKS ON MY FAMILY, AND UNLEASH HIS TV LAWYER TO DO THE SAME AND I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AS A NATION, WE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE ATTEMPTS TO INTIMIDATE WITNESSES BEFORE CONGRESS AND ATTACKS ON FAMILY ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. I WISH TO ESPECIALLY THANK SPEAKER PELOSI FOR HER STATEMENTS IN EXHIBIT 9 TO PROTECT THIS INSTITUTION AND ME, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ADAM SCHIFF AND YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, FOR LIKEWISE DEFENDING THE INSTITUTION AND MY FAMILY AGAINST THE ATTACKS BY MR. TRUMP AND ALSO THE MANY REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE ADMONISHED THE PRESIDENT AS WELL. I AM NOT A PERFECT MAN. I HAVE DONE THINGS THAT I AM NOT PROUD OF AND I WILL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY ACTIONS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. BUT TODAY, I GET TO DECIDE THE EXAMPLE I SET FOR MY CHILDREN AND HOW I ATTEMPT TO CHANGE HOW HISTORY WILL REMEMBER ME. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE PAST BUT I CAN DO RIGHT BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE TODAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. COHEN. I RECOGNIZE MYSELF. MR. COHEN, BEFORE I START, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. YOU HAVE ADMITTED LYING TO CONGRESS, TO THIS VERY BODY, AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON FOR IT. DO YOU, MR. COHEN, RECOGNIZE THE GRAVITY OF YOUR OFFENSES? YOU ARE A LAWYER, RIGHT?>>AS OF YESTERDAY I AM NO LONGER A LAWYER. I HAVE LOST MY LAW LICENSE, AMONGST OTHER THINGS. >>BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THIS MOMENT?>>I MOST CERTAINLY DO, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>I WANT YOU TO REALLY HEAR THIS, MR. COHEN. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE LYING TO THIS CONGRESS BY ANYBODY. WE ARE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?>>I DO.>>NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO MADE NUMEROUS STATEMENTS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE INACCURATE. FOR EXAMPLE, HE SAID HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MISS CLIFFORD. IN HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM, SAID HE NEVER OWED MONEY TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THOSE PAYMENTS. YET, IN YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. COHEN, YOU SAID THAT YOU MET WITH THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN FEBRUARY OF 2017 AND DISCUSSED HIS PLANS TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR MONEY YOU PAID. YOU SAY HE TOLD YOU AND I, QUOTE, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. IS THAT ACCURATE? AND WAS THAT IN THE OVAL OFFICE?>>THE STATEMENT IS ACCURATE BUT THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE REIMBURSEMENT OCCURRED LONG BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. >>WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT?>>BACK IN 2017, WHEN — ACTUALLY I APOLOGIZE IN 2016, PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, I WAS CONTACTED BY KEITH DAVIDSON WHO IS THE ATTORNEY OR WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR MISS CLIFFORD FOR STORMY DANIELS, AND AFTER SEVERAL ROUNDS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT PURCHASING HER LIFE RIGHTS FOR $130,000, WHAT I DID EACH AND EVERY TIME IS GO STRAIGHT INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AND DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH HIM. WHEN IT WAS ULTIMATELY DETERMINED, THIS WAS DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, THAT MR. TRUMP WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000, IN THE OFFICE WITH ME WAS ALLEN WEISSELBERG THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, HE ACKNOWLEDGED TO ALAN THAT HE WAS GOING TO PAY THE 130,000, AND THAT ALLEN AND I SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. SO YES, SIR, I STAND BY THE STATEMENT THAT I GAVE, BUT THERE WAS A HISTORY TO IT.>>IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU HAVE — YOU SAID YOU BROUGHT SOME CHECKS, IS THAT RIGHT? YOU SAID YOU BROUGHT SOME CHECKS?>>YES, SIR. >>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF THESE. THIS FROM THE TRUMP TRUST THAT HOLDS THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESSES, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO SIGNED THIS CHECK?>>I BELIEVE THAT THE TOP SIGNATURE IS DONALD TRUMP JR. AND THE BOTTOM SIGNATURE I BELIEVE IS ALLEN WEISSELBERG’S. >>CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATE OF THAT CHECK?>>MARCH 17th OF 2017.>>NOW WAIT A MINUTE. HOLD UP. THE DATE ON THE CHECK IS AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP HELD HIS BIG PRESS CONFERENCE CLAIMING THAT HE GAVE UP CONTROL OF HIS BUSINESSES? HOW COULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE ARRANGED FOR YOU TO GET THIS CHECK IF HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY PLAYING NO ROLE IN HIS BUSINESS?>>BECAUSE THE PAYMENTS WERE DESIGNED TO BE PAID OVER THE COURSE OF 12 MONTHS AND IT WAS DECLARED TO BE A RETAINER FOR SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED FOR THE YEAR OF 2017. >>WAS THERE A RETAINER AGREEMENT?>>THERE IS NO RETAINER AGREEMENT.>>COULD DON JUNIOR OR MR. WEISSELBERG HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?>>MR. WEISSELBERG FOR SURE ABOUT THE ENTIRE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, AND DON JUNIOR WOULD HAVE CURSORY INFORMATION.>>NOW HERE’S ANOTHER ONE. THIS ONE APPEARS TO BE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP. HIMSELF. IS THAT HIS SIGNATURE?>>THAT IS DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE.>>SO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. DONALD TRUMP WROTE YOU A CHECK OUT OF HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT WHILE HE WAS SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MISS CLIFFORD? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY?>>YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ONE FINAL QUESTION. THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS. HIS ETHICS FILING SAID HE OWED NOTHING TO YOU. BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS PAYING FOR?>>THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND AND I TRULY BELIEVE THERE IS NO DOUBT IN THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.>>AND THESE NEW DOCUMENTS APPEAR TO CORROBORATE WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US. WITH THAT I YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM [ INAUDIBLE ].>>I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND I MEET ONE DAY WHILE WE’RE IN THE COURTHOUSE AND I WILL TAKE YOU FOR EVERY PENNY YOU STILL DON’T HAVE AND I WILL COME AFTER YOUR DAILY BEAST AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT YOU POSSIBLY KNOW. I’M WARNING YOU, TREAD VERY F’ING LIGHTLY BECAUSE WHAT I AM GOING TO DO TO YOU IS GOING TO BE F’ING DISGUSTING, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?>>WHO SAID THAT?>>I DID. >>DID YOU SAY THAT, MR. COHEN N YOUR TESTIMONY ON PAGE 2, YOU SAID YOU DID THINGS FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT HIM. WAS THAT STATEMENT THAT I JUST READ THAT YOU ADMITTED TO SAYING, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>I DID IT TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP, JR., IVANKA TRUMP AND ERIC TRUMP.>>IN YOUR SENTENCING STATEMENT BACK IN DECEMBER IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE, YOU SAID THIS, MR. COHEN, MY WEAKNESS CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS A BLIND LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP A BLIND LOYALTY THAT LED ME TO CHOOSE A PATH OF DARKNESS, IS THAT RIGHT?>>I WROTE THAT. >>YOU WROTE AND SAID THAT IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE. >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>LET ME READ A FEW OTHER THINGS AND ASK YOU WHY YOU DID SOME OF THESE THINGS. WHEN YOU FILED A FALSE TAX RETURN IN 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, AND 2016, WAS ALL THAT OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT.>>LED TO REPORT $4 MILLION IN INCOME TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>NO, I DID NOT.>>AND WHEN YOU FAILED TO PAY $1.4 MILLION IN TAXES, I GOT CONSTITUENTS THAT DON’T MAKE THAT IN A LIFETIME, WHEN YOU FAILED TO PAY $1.4 MILLION IN TAXES TO THE U.S. TREASURY, WAS THAT OUT OF SOME BLIND LITTLETY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?>>IT WAS NOT. BUT THE NUMBER WAS $1.38 MILLION AND CHANGE AND I HAVE PAID THAT MONEY BACK TO THE IRS AT THIS TIME. >>I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT — >>I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT WAS OVER A COURSE OF FIVE YEARS. APPROXIMATELY $260,000 A YEAR. >>THAT’S WHAT I SAID, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015. THAT’S FIVE YEARS. >>YES. >>WHEN YOU MADE FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CONCERNING A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT, TAX MEDALLIONS ON YOUR PARK AVENUE APARTMENT IN 2013, 2014, 2015, AND YOU PLED GUILTY TO MAKING THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS TO THOSE BANKS, WAS THAT ALL DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT.>>HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, WHEN YOU CREATED THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT, WOMEN FOR COHEN, AND PAID A FIRM TO POST TWEETS LIKE THIS ONE, IN A WORLD OF LIE, DECEPTION AND FRAUD, WE APPRECIATE THIS HONEST GUY @MICHAEL COHEN, #, TGIF, #HANDSOME #SEXY WAS THAT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>I DIDN’T SET THAT UP. IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LAID THAT WORKED FOR RED FITCH AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN YOU WOULD KNOW IT’S SOMEWHAT CRAZY AND WILD AND WE WERE HAVING FUN. WE WERE HAVING FUN. >>WAS IT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>THAT WAS NOT DONE TO PROTECT THE. >>THE WAS IT A FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT. >>IT WAS A REAL TWITTER ACCOUNT. >>DID YOU PAY THE FIRM TO CREATE THIS — >>IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WORKS FOR THE FIRM AND AGAIN SIR, WE WERE HAVING FUN DURING A STRESSFUL TIME.>>THE POINT IS, MR. COHEN, DID YOU LIE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT OR HELP YOURSELF?>>I’M NOT SURE HOW THAT HELPED ME, SIR. MORE THAN HALF THE PEOPLE ON THAT SITE ARE MEN.>>HERE’S THE POINT. THE CHAIRMAN GAVE YOU A 30-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND FRANKLY YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, TAKE WHAT THE COURT SAID, TAKE WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAID, COHEN, DID CRIMES THAT WERE MARKED BY A PATTERN OF DECEPTION AND THAT PERMEATED HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE. THESE CRIMES WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR HARMS BUT BEAR A COMMON SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THEY EACH INVOLVE DECEPTION AND WERE EACH, EACH MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. A PATTERN OF DECEPTION FOR PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION AND YOU JUST GOT 30 MINUTES OF AN OPENING STATEMENT WHERE YOU TRASHD THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>APPROXIMATELY A DECADE.>>TEN YEARS?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>YOU SAID ALL THESE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THERE IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES, AND YET YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS?>>I MEAN, IF IT’S THAT BAD I CAN SEE YOU WORKING FOR HIM FOR TEN DAYS, MAYBE TEN WEEKS, MAYBE EVEN TEN MONTHS, BUT YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE?>>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>THAT’S THE POINT, ISN’T IT?>>NO, SIR. >>YES, IT IS. >>NO, IT’S NOT SIR. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>NO, SIR. >>YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE. >>SIR I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS OFFERED JOBS. I CAN TELL YOU A STORY OF MR. TRUMP REAMING OUT REINCE PRIEBUS BECAUSE I HAD NOT TAKEN A JOB WHERE MR. TRUMP WANTED ME TO WORKING WITH DON McGAHN AT THE WHITE HOUSE GENERAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE. >>SIR, ONE SECOND. WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME AND I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO PRODUCED A MEMO AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN ORDER TO HANDLE SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY.>>HERE’S WHAT I SEE. I SEE A GUY WHO WORKED FOR TEN YEARS AND HERE TRASHING THE GUY HE WORKED FOR FOR TEN YEARS, DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND NOW AND NOW YOU’RE BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS GOT FIRED OR DIDN’T GET THE JOB THEY WANTED LIKE ANDY McCABE, LIKE JAMES COMEY, SAME KIND OF SELFISH MOTIVATION AFTER YOU DON’T GET THE THING YOU WANT. THAT’S WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE — >>MR. JORDAN, ALL I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT. TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT, TO ENJOY THE SENIOR YEAR OF MY SON IN HIGH SCHOOL AND WAITING FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO IS GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE TO COME BACK TO NEW YORK. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME — >>YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON.>>I RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MISS WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AS YOU LIKELY KNOW I SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE AT THE TIME OF THE RUSSIAN HACKS AND WHEN RUSSIA WEAPONIZED THE MESSAGES THAT IT HAD STOLEN, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, MY QUESTIONS ARE NOT ABOUT THE HARM DONE TO ANY INDIVIDUAL BY WIKILEAKS AND THE RUSSIANS. IT’S ABOUT THE POSSIBLE AND LIKELY HARM TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR DEMOCRACY. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE WILL CONNECT MORE OF THESE DOTS. MR. COHEN IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT MR. TRUMP HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THE RUSSIA WIKILEAKS RELEASE OF THE DNC E-MAILS?>>I CANNOT ANSWER THAT IN A YES OR NO. HE HAD ADVANCED NOTICE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS, BUT AT NO TIME DID I HEAR THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THOSE E-MAILS WERE GOING TO BE.>>BUT YOU DO TESTIFY TODAY THAT HE HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR IMMINENT RELEASE?>>THAT IS WHAT I HAD STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. >>AND THAT HE CHEERED THAT OUTCOME. >>YES, MA’AM. >>DID MR. TRUMP LIKELY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA, SON DON JUNIOR OR JARED KUSHNER?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT. >>WAS IVANKA, JARED OR DON JUNIOR STILL INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TOWER DEAL AT THAT TIME?>>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL, WHICH MEANT THAT THE FAMILY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL.>>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA AND SON DONALD JR. ARE INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TRUMP TOWER DEAL IS IT POSSIBLE THE WHOLE FAMILY IS CONFLICTED OR COMPROMISED WITH A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION?>>YES.>>BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT AND KNOWLEDGE OF HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. STONE, DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT EXPLICITLY OR IMPLICITLY AUTHORIZED MR. STONE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH WIKILEAKS AND TO INDICATE THE CAMPAIGN’S INTEREST IN THE STRATEGIC RELEASE OF THESE ILLEGALLY HACKED MATERIALS. >>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT.>>WAS MR. STONE A FREE AGENT REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE? OR WAS HE AN AGENT OF THE CAMPAIGN ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT AND WITH HIS APPARENT AUTHORITY?>>NO. HE WAS A FREE AGENT.>>A FREE AGENT THAT WAS REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE. >>CORRECT. HE FREQUENTLY REACHED OUT TO MR. TRUMP AND MR. TRUMP WAS VERY HAPPY TO TAKE HIS CALLS. IT WAS FREE SERVICE.>>ROGER STONE SAYS HE NEVER SPOKE WITH MR. TRUMP ABOUT WIKILEAKS. HOW CAN WE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?>>I DON’T KNOW, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND OTHER OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU’RE SEEKING.>>MOVING TO LATER IN 2016, A MAJOR WIKILEAKS DUMP HAPPENS HOURS AFTER THE “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” TAPE IS RELEASED.>>I AM UNAWARE OF THAT. I ACTUALLY WAS NOT EVEN IN THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME OF THE BILLY BUSH TAPE. I WAS IN LONDON VISITING MY DAUGHTER.>>KNOWING HOW MR. TRUMP OPERATES WITH HIS WINNING AT ALL COSTS MENTALITY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD COOPERATE OR COLLUDE WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY? IS HE CAPABLE OF THAT?>>IT CALLS ON SO MUCH SPECULATION, MA’AM. IT WOULD BE UNFAIR FOR ME TO — >>I UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE. >>MR. TRUMP IS ALL ABOUT WINNING. HE WILL DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO WIN. >>IN YOUR OPINION AND EXPERIENCE, WOULD HE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COCLUED WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>YES. BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, WOULD MR. TRUMP OR DID HE LIE ABOUT COLLUDING AND COORDINATING WITH THE RUSSIANS AT ANY POINT DURING THE CAMPAIGN?>>SO AS I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY, I WOULDN’T USE THE WORD COLLUDING. WAS THERE SOMETHING ODD ABOUT THE BACK AND FORTH PRAISE WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN, YES. BUT I’M NOT REALLY SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN TERMS OF COLLUSION. I WAS NOT PART OF THE CAMPAIGN. I DON’T KNOW THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT MR. TRUMP HAD WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS. THERE’S JUST SO MANY DOTS THAT ALL SEEM TO LEAD TO THE SAME DIRECTION. >>FINALLY, BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES, MR. COHEN, THE CAMPAIGN AND THE ENTIRE TRUMP ORGANIZATION APPEARED TO BE FILTHY WITH RUSSIAN CONTACT. THERE ARE RUSSIAN BUSINESS CONTACTS, THERE ARE CAMPAIGN RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE ARE LIES ABOUT ALL OF THOSE CONTACTS, AND THEN WE HAVE ROGER STONE INFORMING THE PRESIDENT JUST BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT THESE — THAT WIKILEAKS WAS GOING TO DROP DOCUMENTS IN THE PUBLIC ARENA THAT WE KNEW AT THAT POINT WERE HACKED AND STOLEN BY RUSSIA FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. >>THE GENTLE LADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER HER INQUIRY. >>MY QUESTION IS — >>QUICKLY. >>GIVEN ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS, IS IT LIKELY THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS FULLY AWARE AND HAD EVERY INTENT OF WORKING WITH RUSSIA TO HELP MAKE SURE HE COULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>SO LET ME SAY THAT THIS IS A MATTER THAT’S CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED BY THE HOUSE SELECT AND SENATE SELECT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES, AS I WOULD RATHER NOT ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION OTHER THAN JUST TO TELL YOU THAT MR. TRUMP’S DESIRE TO WIN WOULD HAVE HIM WORK WITH ANYONE AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAD SAID IF MY STATEMENT IS THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT, IT WAS WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE ELECTION, SO THIS WAS JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.>>ALL RIGHT.>>THANK YOU.>>FROM TENNESSEE. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, CHAIRMAN IN THIS COMMITTEE PROMISED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS YET THE DEMOCRATS HAVE LIMITED THE SCOPE OF THIS HEARING THEY’VE ISSUED A GAG ORDER TO TELL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE WHAT WE CAN AN CANNOT TALK ABOUT. MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE CLAIM THAT THEY WANT THE TRUTH THAT THEY WANT TRANSPARENCY AND FAIR OVERSIGHT YET THE DEMOCRATS WITNESS TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS TODAY IS NONE OTHER THAN A SCORNED MAN WHO IS GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. LET THAT SINK IN. HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. AND HE’S THE STAR WITNESS TO CONGRESS. IF YOU READ THE SENTENCING REPORT ON MICHAEL COHEN, WORDS LIKE DECEPTIVE AND GREEDY ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THAT REPORT. IT PAINTS A PICTURE OF A NARCISSIST, A BULLY, WHO CANNOT TELL THE TRUTH WHETHER IT’S ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR ABOUT HIS OWN PERSONAL LIFE. BUT TODAY, HE’S THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS. IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD HAVE AN HONEST PERSON HERE TESTIFYING. AND IF THEY WERE REALLY AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD NOT RESTRICT THE QUESTIONING TO JUST A FEW TOPICS, BUT LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE RESTRICTED TOPICS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE FIRST TOPIC IN YOUR LIMITED SCOPE I CAN ASK MR. COHEN IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, DIDN’T MR. COHEN PLEAD GUILTY TO LYING TO BANKS ABOUT HIS PERSONAL FINANCES? SO WE’RE ASKING A GUY GOING TO JAIL FOR LYING ABOUT HIS DEBTS TO COMMENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. HE’S THE EXPERT. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR NEXT COUPLE OF TOPICS SAY THAT I CAN ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE WITH FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, BUT DIDN’T MR. COHEN ON TWO OCCASIONS BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW WITH HIS OWN DONATION? AGAIN, THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS ON THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE IS A GUY WHO BROKE COMPLIANCE LAWS HIMSELF. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU GRACIOUSLY ALLOW US TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. COHEN ON THE PRESIDENT’S DEALINGS WITH THE IRS AND TAX LAW. YOUR STAR WITNESS HERE, BROKE THE LAW WITH REGARDS TO THE IRS AT LEAST FIVE TIMES. HE PLED GUILTY ON CHEATING ON HIS TAXES, LYING TO THE IRS, HE’S THE BEST WITNESS YOU GOT. NEXT UP, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE CHAIRMAN, I GET TO ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS DEALINGS. LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, THE WITNESS LIED TO MULTIPLE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO GET LOANS TO PAY OFF OTHER LOANS JUST TO KEEP HIMSELF AFLOAT AND HE’S GOING TO BE THE EXPERT ON BUSINESS PRACTICES. OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE WITNESS MAY PRODUCE DOCUMENTS HE SUGGESTS INCRIMINATES THE PRESIDENT YET HE LIES TO BANKS ALL OF THOSE LIES WERE DONE ON FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS, DOCUMENTS THAT HE FORGED. NOTHING HE SAYS OR PRODUCES HAS ANY CREDIBILITY APPARENTLY HE EVEN LIED ABOUT DELIVERING HIS OWN CHILD WHICH HIS WIFE HAD TO CORRECT THE RECORD. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HOW ON EARTH IS THIS WITNESS CREDIBLE? WITH ALL THE LIES AND DECEPTION THE SELF-SERVING FRAUD IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE MAJORITY PARTY DOING HERE? NO ONE CAN SEE THIS GUY AS CREDIBLE. HE WILL SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS OWN PERSONAL GOALS. HE’S A FAKE WITNESS. AND HIS PRESENCE HERE IS A TRAVESTY. I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THIS. I KNOW THE PEOPLE BACK IN TENNESSEE WILL. AND WITH THAT STATEMENT, SIR, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS. WITH YOUR LOSS OF YOUR LAW LICENSE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT YOU HAD BEEN DISBARRED, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INCOME IN THE FUTURE?>>I DON’T EXPECT I’M GOING TO HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME WHEN I’M IN FEDERAL PENITENTIARY. >>WHAT — IS THERE A BOOK DEAL COMING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?>>I HAVE NO BOOK DEAL RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS. I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY MANY INCLUDING FOR TELEVISION, MOVIE, IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHO YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLAY YOU I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WRITE THE NAME DOWN. >>I’M SURE THERE’S A VERY — >>I WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT ON ME.>>NO — >>LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION I ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. WHO PAID YOUR EXPENSES TO BE HERE TODAY?>>WHO’S PAID MY EXPENSES?>>TO BE HERE TODAY. >>I PAID MY EXPENSES.>>MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINING OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER.>>MR. COHEN, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU TALK TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE?>>SEVEN.>>DID THEY TALK TO YOU AT ALL IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY’S HEARING BETWEEN THE SEVEN TIMES YOU TALKED TO THEM PRIOR TO YOUR SENTENCING, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE BETWEEN SENTENCING AND TODAY?>>I’M SORRY, SIR, I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. >>YOU TALKED TO THEM SEVEN TIMES IN THE SENTENCING MEMORANDUMS IN FRONT OF THE COURT BACK IN DECEMBER. WHAT I’M ASKING, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SINCE THEN UP TO TODAY’S APPEARANCE HERE IN CONGRESS?>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THAT ONE QUESTION. >>I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. >>IT WASN’T — >>I’LL COME BACK TO THAT. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TEN YEARS OF WORKING FOR DONALD TRUMP, DID HE CONTROL EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND DID YOU HAVE TO GET HIS PERMISSION IN ADVANCE AND REPORT BACK AFTER EVERY MEETING OF ANY IMPORTANCE?>>YES.>>MY — >>THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION FROM WHETHER IT WAS A RESPONSE AS THE DAILY BEAST STORY YOU REFERRED TO RANKING MEMBER THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP WITH HIS APPROVAL. AND SIGN OFF. AS IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENTS.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID THE PRESIDENT, MICHAEL, ASK YOU OR DIRECT YOU TO TRY TO REACH SETTLEMENTS WITH WOMEN IN 2015 AND 2016?>>I’M SORRY, MA’AM, I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RECOLLECT. IT’S CERTAINLY THE TWO THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.>>AND WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT DID NOT PROVIDE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO HIDE? HE CORRECTED OTHER FORMS BUT HE ISN’T CORRECT THIS ONE.>>THE PAYMENTS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS THAT I EXTENDED ON HIS BEHALF.>>CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE?>>WELL, GOING BACK INTO THE STORY AS I STATED WHEN WE — ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND I LEFT THE OFFICE AND WENT TO HIS OFFICE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON HOW THE MONEY WAS GOING TO BE WIRED TO THE AYOLA, THE INTEREST ON THE LAWYER’S ACCOUNT FOR KEITH DAVIDSON IN CALIFORNIA, I HAD ASKED ALLEN TO USE HIS MONEY. I DIDN’T WANT TO USE MINE. HE SAID HE COULDN’T. WE THEN DECIDED HOW ELSE WE COULD DO IT AND HE ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I KNOW ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO HAVE A PARTY AT ONE OF HIS CLUBS THAT COULD PAY ME INSTEAD OR SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE WANTED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE GOLF CLUBS. AND I ALSO DON’T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THAT. AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS DOWN TO THE WIRE. IT WAS EITHER WE — SOMEBODY WIRE THE FUNDS AND PURCHASE THE LIFE RIGHTS TO THE STORY FROM MISS CLIFFORD OR IT WAS GOING TO END UP BEING SOLD TO TELEVISION AND THAT WOULD HAVE EMBARRASSED THE PRESIDENT AND IT WOULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH THE ELECTION.>>BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER AMENDED HIS 2017 FORM TO THIS DAY AND WHILE YOU’RE FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF GOING TO JAIL, HE IS NOT.>>I BELIEVE THAT THEY AMENDED A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM AND THERE’S A FOOTNOTE SOMEWHERE BURIED. I DON’T RECALL SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT SAYS. BUT THERE IS A FOOTNOTE BURIED SOMEWHERE.>>CAN YOU DESCRIBE, MICHAEL, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CATCH AND KILL?>>SO CATCH AND KILL IS A METHOD THAT EXISTS WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH A NEWS OUTLET, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS AMI, “NATIONAL ENQUIRER” DAVID PECKER AND DYLAN HOWARD AND OTHERS, WHERE THEY WOULD CONTACT ME OR MR. TRUMP OR SOMEONE AND STATE THAT THERE’S A STORY THAT’S PERCOLATING OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN. AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CONTACT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND YOU PURCHASE THE RIGHTS TO THAT STORY FROM THEM.>>AND YOU PRACTICED THIS FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES, BUT THESE CATCH AND KILL SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID PECKER AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR HIM IN 2007.>>MICHAEL, CAN YOU SUGGEST WHO ELSE THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE?>>YES. I BELIEVE DAVID PECKER, DYLAN HOWARD, BARRY HEVINE OF AMI AS WELL, ALAN WEISSELBERG, ALLEN GARDEN AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS WELL. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A STORY OF REDEMPTION.>>THANK YOU, MA’AM. >>MR. COMBER.>>MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU STATED THAT YOU BEGAN WORK FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS A LAWYER DEALING WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>PRIOR TO COMING TO CONGRESS I SERVED AS A DIRECTOR OF TWO DIFFERENT BANKS SO I’VE SEEN HUNDREDS OF LOAN APPLICATIONS AND TO TRY TO DETERMINE YOUR CREDIBILITY TODAY I WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION QUESTIONS TO SEE HOW, IN FACT, YOU OPERATE. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS, YOU LIED TO BANKS TO SECURE LOANS BY FALSELY STATING THE AMOUNT OF DEBT YOU WERE CARRYING. MR. COHEN, MY QUESTION TO YOU, WAS IT DONALD TRUMP’S FAULT THAT YOU KNOWINGLY COMMITTED A CRIME OF DECEPTION TO DEFRAUD A BANK?>>NO, IT’S NOT. >>WAS THAT FRAUDULENT LOAN YOU OBTAINED FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION OR FOR YOU PERSONALLY?>>IT WOULD BE FOR ME, THOUGH I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHICH LOAN THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO. I WILL — I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING, MR. — SORRY I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT — >>WHEN YOU PLED GUILTY — >>THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE YOU’RE REFERRING TO — >>WE’RE REFERRING — >>NO INDIVIDUAL — >>PERTAINING TO YOUR SUMMER HOME YOU PURCHASED. >>I NEVER PURCHASED A SUMMER HOME. NO INDIVIDUAL ON NO BANK IN THE 22 YEARS THAT I’VE HAD LOANS HAVE EVER LOST A DOLLAR WITH ME. I OWE NO MONEY TO ANY ANY BANK. >>THE BANKS USUALLY FIND OUT IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE THEM. >>IN 22 YEARS I HAVE NO MONEY. >>YOUR LOYALTY — >>THAT’S EVER BEEN OWED TO ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY BANK. >>DID YOUR SO-CALLED BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT CAUSE YOU TO DEFRAUD THE BANK FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN?>>I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT BECAUSE THERE’S NEVER BEEN A FRAUD — I NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK. >>LET’S DIG DEEPER ON THAT ON THE BANK FRAUD. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES AS WELL AS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF MONTHLY EXPENSES. THAT’S ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. NOW, MR. COHEN, YOU BEING A LAWYER, SURELY YOU KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT?>>I’M NOT A CPA AND I PLED GUILTY. I’M GOING TO PRISON AS A RESULT OF IT. >>BECAUSE YOU’RE A CON?>>NO, SIR BECAUSE I PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE DOING THE TIME I HAVE CAUSED TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS PAIN TO MY FAMILY AND I TAKE NO HAPPINESS IN THE — >>ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE BANK, WHEN THE BANK FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LIABILITIES THAT YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE, YOU LIED AGAIN TO THE BANK, THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND SAID IT HAD BEEN EXPUNGED WHEN, IN FACT, YOU SHIFTED THE DEBT TO ANOTHER BANK. SO APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, YOUR INTENT TO DEFRAUD THE BANK WAS FOR THE DESIRE TO PURCHASE THE SUMMER HOME FOR $8.5 MILLION?>>NO, SIR. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF OF AN EQUITY LINE CONSIDERING I HAD LESS THAN A 50% LOAN TO VALUE ON THE ASSETS AND IT WAS A PREEXISTING LINE OF CREDIT THAT EXISTED YEARS BEFORE THE DATE THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WHERE THIS IS ALL SURROUNDING NEW YORK CITY TAXI MEDALLIONS.>>YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE LIABILITIES, ESPECIALLY $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES, THAT IS, IN FACT, FRAUD?>>EXCEPT EVEN WITH THE $20 MILLION IN LIABILITY — >>HOW MUCH WAS IT?>>THE MEDALLIONS AT THAT TIME WERE WORTH OVER $45 MILLION.>>MR. COHEN, YOU CALLED DONALD TRUMP A CHEAT IN YOUR OPENING TESTIMONY. WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOURSELF?>>A FOOL.>>YOU CALLING — OKAY. WELL NO COMMENT ON THAT.>>I APPRECIATE IT. >>WE SAID WE WERE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH AND I WOULD HOPE THAT AS THIS COMMITTEE MOVES FORWARD THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBPOENA WITNESSES, WE SUBPOENA WITNESSES THAT ARE NOT RECENTLY DISBARRED, ARE NOT CONVICTED FELON, AND WITNESSES THAT HAVEN’T COMMITTED BANK FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD. THAT IS HOW WE’RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE TRUTH. MR. CHAIRMAN I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER. >>I THINK THE GENTLEMAN, I WOULD MAKE ONE POINT WE JUST HAD A FIVE MINUTE DEBATE WHERE MR. COHEN DISPUTES WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOUND THAT THE JUDGE FOUND HE WAS GUILTY OF COMMITTING BANK FRAUD. IF THIS STATEMENT DOESN’T SAY IT ALL, COHEN’S CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONGDOING IS FLEETING HIS REMORSE MINIMAL, INSTINCT TO BLAME OTHERS IS STRONG. THERE’S ONLY ONE THING WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT, HIS REMORSE IS NONEXISTENT. YOU DEBATED A MEMBER OF CONGRESS SAYING I REALLY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FALSE BANK THINGS I’M GUILTY OF AND GOING TO PRISON FOR. >>THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID AND YOU KNOW THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID.>>I PLED GUILTY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.>>[ INAUDIBLE ].>>SHAME ON YOU, MR. JORDAN. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. SHAME ON YOU.>>MR. CHAIRMAN.>>THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. WHAT I SAID IS I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I WAS DOING IS EXPLAINING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HIS FACTS ARE INACCURATE. I STILL — I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKES. ALL RIGHT. I AM REMORSEFUL. AND I AM GOING TO PRISON. I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND FAMILY FOR YEARS, SO BEFORE YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU CAST MORE DISPERSION, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING YOU TODAY THAT KNOW ME A WHOLE BETTER. I MADE MISTAKES. I OWN THEM. AND I DIDN’T FIGHT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I DIDN’T PUT THE SYSTEM THROUGH AN ENTIRE SCENARIO, BUT WHAT I DID DO IS I PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE, AGAIN, GOING TO PRISON.>>MR. NORTON.>>MR. COHEN, AT THE CENTER OF THE REASONS YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON IS CONVICTION FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND THEY CENTER AROUND SOME SALACIOUS REVELATIONS. “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTED OR AIRED AN “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” VIDEO. IT SET A RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED CRASHED THE NEWSPAPERS SERVER. BUT THIS HAPPENED IN EARLY OCTOBER ON THE CUSP OF THE ELECTION. WHAT WAS MR. TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE VIDEO BECOMING PUBLIC AT THAT TIME AND WAS HE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT VIDEO ON THE ELECTION?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I STATED BEFORE, I WAS IN LONDON AT THE TIME VISITING MY DAUGHTER WHO WAS STUDYING THERE FOR A WASHINGTON SEMESTER ABROAD AND I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL DURING THE DINNER FROM HOPE HICKS STATING THAT SHE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO MR. TRUMP AND WE NEED YOU TO START MAKING PHONE CALLS TO THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT NEWS OUTLETS YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH AND WE NEED TO SPIN THIS AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST CLAIM THIS WAS MEN LOCKER ROOM TALK. >>WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ELECTION IN PARTICULAR?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. THEN COUPLE THAT WITH KAREN McDOUGAL WHICH THEN CAME OUT AROUND THE SAME TIME AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE STORMY DANIELS MATTER.>>YEAH. AND THESE THINGS HAPPENED IN THE MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION AND ALMOST ONE AFTER THE OTHER. THE STORMY DANIELS REVELATION, WHERE PROSECUTORS AND OFFICIALS — PROSECUTORS LEARNED OF THAT MATTER, AND PROSECUTORS STATED THAT THE OFFICIALS AT THE MAGAZINE CONTACTED YOU ABOUT THE STORY AND I’M — THE MAGAZINE, OF COURSE, IS “THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER,” IS THAT CORRECT? THEY DID?>>YES, MA’AM. >>COME TO YOU?>>WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THIS NEWS STORY BECOMING PUBLIC RIGHT AFTER THE “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” STORY IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE ELECTION?>>I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MR. TRUMP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT. >>THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S CONCERN ABOUT THESE MATTERS BECOMING PUBLIC IN OCTOBER AS WE WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO AN ELECTION?>>I DON’T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISPUTE THIS BELIEF THAT AFTER THE WILD FIRE THAT ENCOMPASSED THE BILLY BUSH TAPE, THAT A SECOND FOLLOWUP TO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PLEASANT AND HE WAS CONCERNED WITH THE EFFECT THAT IT HAD HAD ON THE CAMPAIGN ON BE HOW WOMEN WERE SEEING HIM AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE A SHOT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.>>SO YOU NEGOTIATED THE $130,000 PAYMENT.>>THE $130,000 NUMBER WAS NOT A NUMBER THAT WAS ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED. IT WAS TOLD TO ME BY KEITH DAVIDSON THAT THIS IS A NUMBER THAT MISS CLIFFORD WANTED. >>YOU FINALLY COMPLETED THAT DEAL AS IT WERE ON OCTOBER 25th.>>28th. >>DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE INTERIM?>>CONTEMPLATED WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT. WASN’T SURE IF SHE WAS REALLY GOING TO GO PUBLIC. IT WAS AGAIN SOME COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORT BETWEEN MYSELF AND KEITH DAVIDSON. ULTIMATELY IT CAME TO EITHER DO IT OR DON’T AND I HAD GONE INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AFTER I HAD DONE AFTER EACH AND EVERY CONVERSATION AND HE TOLD ME HE SPOKE TO A COUPLE FRIENDS, IT’S 130,000, NOT A LOT OF MONEY, AND WE SHOULD JUST DO IT SO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. AT THE TIME I WAS WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG WHERE HE DIRECTED US TO GO BACK TO MR. WEISSELBERG’S OFFICE AND FIGURE THIS ALL OUT.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. BETOS. >>MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATTON? I’M RIGHT HERE.>>YES, SIR. >>DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATTON?>>YES, I DO. >>I ASKED LYNN TO COME TODAY IN HER PERSONAL CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY SHED SOME LIGHT. HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN MISS PATTON?>>I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR LYNN PATTON JOININGS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THE JOB THAT SHE CURRENTLY HOLDS.>>WELL, THAT’S — I’M GLAD YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BECAUSE YOU MADE SOME VERY DEMEANING COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT MISS PATTON DOESN’T AGREE WITH. IN FACT, IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR CLAIM OF RACISM. SHE SAYS THAT AS A DAUGHTER OF A MAN BORN IN BIR MING HAMM, ALABAMA, THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD WORK FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS RACIST. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THE TWO OF THOSE?>>AS NEITHER SHOULD I AS THE SON OF A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR.>>BUT, MR. COHEN, I GUESS WHAT I’M SAYING IS, IS I’VE TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OVER 300 TIMES. I’VE NOT HEARD ONE TIME A RACIST COMMENT OUT OF HIS MOUTH IN PRIVATE SO HOW DO YOU RECONCILE IT? DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS?>>I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK — >>DO YOU HAVE TAPE RECORDINGS OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS?>>NO, SIR. >>YOU TAPED EVERYBODY ELSE SO WHY — >>THAT’S NOT TRUE. >>YOU HAVEN’T TAPED ANYBODY. >>I HAVE TAPED INDIVIDUALS — >>HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TAPED INDIVIDUALS?>>MAYBE 100 TIMES OVER TEN YEARS. >>IS THAT A LOW ESTIMATE? I’VE HEARD IT’S OVER 200 TIMES. >>I DON’T THINK. I THINK IT’S ABOUT 100 FROM WHAT I WOULD RECALL. YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION. HERE’S — >>DO YOU HAVE PROOF, YES OR NO.>>I DO. >>WHERE’S THE PROOF?>>ASK MISS PATTON HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK ARE EXECUTIVES AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION? AND THE ANSWER IS ZERO. >>MR. COHEN, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS. HERE — >>YOU ASKED ME. >>I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT HER ENTIRE STATEMENT BE PUT IN THE RECORD.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>LET ME GO ON A LITTLE FURTHER. DID YOU CLICK $1.2 MILLION NOVARTIS?>>I DID. >>FOR ACCESS TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>NO, SIR.>>WHY DID YOU COLLECT IT?>>BECAUSE THEY CAME TO ME BASED UPON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENIGMA DONALD TRUMP, WHAT HE THINKS — >>THEY PAID YOU. >>LET ME FINISH. >>DID THEY PAY YOU $1.2 MILLION TO GIVE THEM ADVICE. >>YES, THEY DID. MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CONGLOMERATE CAME TO ME LOOKING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SOMETHING THAT’S UNUSUAL HERE IN D.C., LOOKING FOR INFORMATION AND THEY BELIEVED THAT I HAD A VALUE. >>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM. >>THAT VALUE WAS THE INSIGHT I WAS CAPABLE OF OFFERING THEM AND THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY. >>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM FOR $1.2 MILLION, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM?>>I PROVIDED THEM WITH BOTH IN PERSON AS WELL AS TELEPHONE ACCESS WHENEVER THEY NEEDED?>>HOW MANY TIMES? THAT’S A QUESTION, MR. COHEN. >>I DON’T RECALL, SIR. >>DID YOU EVER TALK TO THEM?>>I SPOKE TO THEM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. >>HOW MANY. >>SIX TIMES. >>SIX TIMES. WOW. $200,000 A CALL.>>SIR, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO — >>HOLD ON.>>I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION — >>THIS IS MY FIVE MINUTES AND NOT YOURS. DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THE BANK OF KAZ SKIK STAN. >>IT’S NOT A BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN. IT’S CALLED BTA. >>BTA BANK, DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THEM?>>I DID. >>FOR WHAT PURPOSE?>>THE PURPOSE WAS BECAUSE THE FORMER CEO OF THAT BANK HAD ABSCONDED WITH OVER — IT WAS BETWEEN 4 TO $6 BILLION AND SOME OF THAT MONEY WAS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THEY SOUGHT MY ASSISTANCE IN TERMS OF FINDING, LOCATING THAT MONEY AND HELPING THEM TO RECOLLECT IT. >>SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE REPORTS THAT YOU WERE PAID IN SOME ESTIMATES OVER $4 MILLION TO HAVE ACCESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, YOU’RE SAYING ALL OF THAT WAS JUST PAID TO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE A NICE GUY?>>I AM A NICE GUY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY — >>I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER. THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT YOU’RE NOT A NICE GUY. >>EACH AND EVERY CONTRACT CONTAINED THE CLAUSE IN MY CONTRACTS THAT SAID I WILL NOT LOBBY AND I COULD NOT DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK. IN FACT, IN FACT, NOVARTIS SENT ME THEIR CONTRACT WHICH STATED SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY WANTED ME TO LOBBY, THAT THEY WANTED ME TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT. THAT INFORMATION, THAT PARAGRAPH WAS CROSSED OUT BY ME INITIALLED AND WRITTEN IN MY OWN HANDWRITING THAT SAYS I WILL NOT LOBBY OR DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK.>>SO NOVARTIS REPRESENTATIVES SAY IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE HIRING A NONREGISTERED LOBBYIST SO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY SAID, SIR, BUT THE CONTRACT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. >>HAVE YOU EVER CONTACTED ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION?>>YES.>>TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF ANY ASPECT OF ANY OF YOUR CONTRACTS?>>>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME — >>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT — >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO, SIR. >>MR. CHAIRMAN — >>MR. CLAY. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, I’M PLEASED YOU AGREED TO TESTIFY TODAY VOLUNTARILY. IN MY VIEW WE ARE ALL HERE FOR JUST ONE REASON AND THAT’S THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO. THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY’VE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S CHILDREN, THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES. IT PAINS ME TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN EVEN LIED TO BY HIS CONGRESSIONAL ENABLERS WHO ARE STILL DEVOTED TO PERPETUATING AND PROTECTING THIS GIANT CON GAME ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOW MR. COHEN, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS. SINCE BY LAW THESE MUST BE REPORTED ACCURATELY ON HIS FEDERAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND WHEN HE SUBMITS THEM FOR A BANK LOAN. MR. COHEN, YOU SERVED FOR NEARLY A DECADE AS THEN BUSINESSMAN TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND SO-CALLED FIXER. DID YOU HAVE — DID YOU ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS AND HOW HE VALUED THOSE ITEMS?>>YES.>>IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, CAIN’S NEW YORK BUSINESS REPORTED THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION PROVIDED, QUOTE, FLAGRANTLY UNTRUE REVENUE FIGURES GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2010 TO INFLUENCE CANE’S RANKING OF THE LARGEST PRIVATE COMPANIES IN NEW YORK. ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS, WHILE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION REPORTED NEARLY $9.5 BILLION IN REVENUES IN 2016, PUBLIC FILINGS SUGGEST REVENUES WERE LESS THAN ONE TENTH OF THAT. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE DID THE PRESIDENT OR HIS COMPANY EVER INFLATE ASSETS OR REVENUE?>>YES.>>AND WAS THAT DONE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OR DIRECTION?>>THE DIRECTION IN 2011, 2012, AND 31 AND MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THOSE FOR THE RECORD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE STATEMENTS TO THE RECORD. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. >>THANK YOU. . . CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAD THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND WHAT YOU USED THEM FOR? THESE WERE USED BY ME FOR TWO PURPOSES, ONE WAS DISCUSSING WITH MEDIA WHETHER “FORBES” OR OTHER MAGAZINES TO DEMONSTRATE MR. TRUMP’S SIGNIFICANT NET WORTH. THAT WAS ONE FUNCTION. ANOTHER WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING LATER ON WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES, WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH COPIES SO THAT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREMIUM ON THE INDIVIDUALS CAPABILITIES TO PAY WOULD BE REDUCED.>>AND ALL OF THIS WAS DONE AT THE PRESIDENT’S DIRECTION AND WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE?>>YES, BECAUSE WHATEVER THE NUMBERS WOULD COME BACK TO BE WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT BACK.>>AND DID THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US INFLATE THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS?>>I BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS ARE INFLATED.>>AND, OF COURSE — INFLATING ASSETS TO BOOST YOUR EGO IS NOT A CRIME BUT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE DID THE PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED ASSETS IT TO A BANK IN ORDER TO HELP HIM OBTAIN A LOAN?>>. >>THE JEJMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED BUT YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>THESE DOCUMENTS AND OTHERS WERE PROVIDED TO DEUTSCH BANK ON ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS WITH THEM IN OUR ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN MONEY SO THAT WE CAN PUT A BID ON THE BUFFALO BILLS.>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.>>MR. — >>I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA. >>I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING AND ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD AN ARTICLE FROM STAT WHICH INDICATES THAT MR. COHEN’S PROMISED ACCESS NOT JUST TRUMP BUT ALSO THE CIRCLE AROUND HIM IT WAS ALMOST AS IF WE WERE HIRING A LOBBYIST CLOSED QUOTE I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE PUT INTO THE RECORD A CRIMINAL REFERRAL FOR VIOLATING SECTION 22 USC OF THE STATUTE NUMBER 611. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT MY LETTER REFERRING MR. COHEN FOR VIOLATING F RASHGS A, FOR ILLEGAL LOBBYING ACTIVITY BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THIS COMMITTEE IS FOR US TO LOOK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY AT CRIMINAL REFERRALS AT THE NEXT BUSINESS MEETING.>>THESE ARE NOT DOCUMENTS. THEY’RE OBJECTIONS. THEY’RE OBJECTIONS. >>SO WE’RE OBJECTING TO A UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST? S IS THAT WHAT — >>I’LL TAKE CARE OF — >>YES.>>I WILL YIELD BACK. >>ALL RIGHT. LET ME BE CLEAR, MR. HIGHS, I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR WHOLE FIVE MINUTES IN FAIRNESS TO YOU.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>AND MR. MEADOWS, I — THE CHAIRMAN THE RANKING MEMBER MADE ME AWARE THAT I HAD GIVEN A LITTLE MORE TIME TO MISS WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ. I WAS GOING TO LET YOU DO THAT ANYWAY. BUT I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WASSERMAN SCH. I’M GOING TO BE BE STRICT ON THE FIVE MINUTES.>>TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, YOU ARE A LIAR BY DEFINITION. THE FACTS ARE ACCURATE. THAT WOULD MAKE YOU INACCURATE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO YOU CONSULTED WITH FOR TODAY’S HEARING. LANY DAVIS AND WHO ELSE?>>MY COUNSEL, LANNY DAVIS AND MICHAEL MONACO.>>DID YOU OR ANY OF THEM COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN PREPARING FOR THIS?>>I’M SORRY.>>DID YOU COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN PREPARING FOR THIS?>>PREPARE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN PREPARE?>>I PREPARED WITH MY COUNCIL.>>WE SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AND THE PARTY.>>WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF.>>SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND HIS PEOPLE AS WELL.>>ANY OR OTHER ACTING AS A LIAS FOR YOU OR THE MAJORITY PARTY?>>I’M SORRY.>>DID YOU HAVE A LIASON WORKING WITH YOU PREPARING FOR THIS?>>WE SPOKE WITH THOSE PEOPLE YOU RAISED. YES.>>TOM STIER. REGARDING HIM OR ANY REPRESENTATIVES? IS HE OR ANY OF THEM PAYING LANNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU?>>NOT THAT A I’M AWARE OF.>>WHO IS PAYING LANNY DAVIS?>>NO ONE.>>SO HE’S DOING ALL OF THIS WORK FOR NO ONE.>>YES, SIR.>>HOW DID LANNY DAVIS COME TO YOU?>>I REACHED OUT TO HIM AT THE SUGGEST OF MY FORMER COUNSEL WHO NEW HIM.>>SO YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. DAVIS?>>YES, I DID INITIALLY.>>OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS OR DID HE URGE YOU TO TESTIFY HERE?>>I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE. I AM HERE, SIR, VOLUNTARILY.>>DID HE ASK YOU TO COME HERE?>>NO, SIR.>>HE SAYS THAT HE DID ASK YOU TO COME HERE AND HE CONVINCED YOU AND HE DID THE SAME WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AS WELL. SO YOUR TESTIMONY HERE IS THAT YOU APPROACHED LANNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU AND TO COME HERE. HE DID NOT PERSUADE YOU TO COME HERE.>>HE DID NOT PERSUADE ME. CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, WHICH IS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE ENGAGED IN AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND OTHERS. THEY SPOKE IN ORDER TO ASK ME TO COME HERE VOLUNTARILY.>>I FIND THE CONNECTING. DOTS HERE WITH MR. DAVIS AND YOU AND FRANKLY THE CHAIRMAN AND PERHAPS OTHERS TO BE RATHER STUNNING THAT THERE IS AN AGENDA FOR ALL OF THIS HAPPENING HERE TODAY. I BELIEVE FRANKLY, THAT IS TO BRING THE PRESIDENT DOWN. YOU MADE AN OATH LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE. THAT OATH MEANT NOTHING TO YOU THEN. WE HAD AN OATH HERE IN THIS VERY ROOM ABOUT A MONTH AGO. IT WAS, QUOTE, BE CLEAR THAT I WILL SPEAK THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP ME GOD. END QUOTE. SOUNDS LIKE AN OATH TO ME. CHAIRMAN MADE THAT OATH IN THIS ROOM. HERE WE ARE TODAY OUR FIRST BIG HEARING WITH YOU, AS WE ALL KNOW A CONVICTED LIAR, LYING TO CONGRESS, A CRIMINAL. I BELIEVE THIS WITNESS IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE STATED GOAL OF SEEKING THE TRUTH IN THIS HEARING. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF CONGRESS WE HAVE SOMEONE TESTIFYING HERE WHO HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS. SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR BEING THE FIRST. MR. CUMMINGS AS WELL. WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS COMMITTEE TO ITS KNEES IN TERMS OF LOSING ITS CREDIBILITY. IT IS A SHAMEFUL MOCKERY OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. I YIELD BACK.>>MR. LYNCH.>>LET ME PICK UP ON THOSE LAST COMMENTS. WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOW POINT MR. PAP PAPADOLIS PLED GUILTY, ANOTHER INDICTED FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. FOR TWO YEARS, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN AGENDA, MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE REFUSE TO BRING ANYONE UP BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. TODAY, WE HAVE ONE WITNESS WHO VOLUNTARILY IS COMING FORWARD TO TESTIFY. YOUR SIDE RAN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. WE ARE TRYING TO BRING IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTARILY COMING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS REGARDING TRUMP TOWER AND MOSCOW. YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT. THIS GOES BACK A WAYS. IN 1987, HE WROTE HE HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOVIET OFFICIALS THEN TO BUILD A LARGE LUXURY OWE TELL ACROSS FROM THE KREMLIN. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOVIET UNION. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS THE SOVIET UNION. I WANT TO ASK YOU, IN YOUR FILING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNCIL MUELLER’S OFFICE, THE COUNSEL WROTE, AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN DISCUSSED THE STATUS OF THE MOSCOW PROJECT WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASIONS MR. COHEN CLAIMED TO THE COMMITTEE AND BLAMED FAMILY MEMBERS OF INDIVIDUAL ONE ABOUT THE PROJECT. WHO ARE WE REFERRING TO HEAR AS INDIVIDUAL ONE?>>DONALD J. TRUMP.>>AND THE COMPANY?>>TRUMP ORGANIZATION THROUGH A SIB SIDRY.>>AND WHO ARE THE FAMILY MEMBERS YOU BRIEFED ON THE PROJECT. DON TRUMP JR. AND IVANKA TRUMP.>>WERE THESE ARE THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS OR DID THEY REQUEST THE BRIEFING?>>THIS IS THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS.>>DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY OF THESE BRIEFINGS THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN?>>APPROXIMATELY TEN IN TOTAL.>>YOU ALSO WROTE, I QUOTE, THERE ARE AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS THE END OF 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE WHEN MR. TRUMP WOULD ASK ME, HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA? HOW DID THE PRESIDENT COMMUNICATE THOSE QUESTIONS TO YOU? WAS IT VERBALLY OR OVER THE PHONE?>>VERBALLY MOSTLY ALL OF THE TIME. HE WOULD SAY, MICHAEL, COME WALK WITH ME. HE WAS HEADING TO A RALLY OR A CAR. AS I WOULD WALK HIM TO THE ELEVATOR, HE WOULD ASK ME QUESTIONS QUICKLY REGARDING THE SERIES OF ISSUES.>>ANY DOUBT WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO ABOUT THE PROJECT IN RUSSIA?>>NO. THIS WOULD BE IT. OTHERWISE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON TO ASK IT OF ME.>>YOU WROTE, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP NEW OF AND DIRECTED THE NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT, CLOSED QUOTE. HOW DID THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY DIRECT THE NEGOTIATIONS?>>AFTER EACH COMMUNICATION I HAD, I WOULD REPORT BACK TO HIM. OUR GOAL WAS TO GET THIS PROJECT. WE WERE INTERESTED IN BUILDING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LARGEST BUILDING IN ALL OF EUROPE. IF I CAN SAY ONE LAST THING, THIS IS ON TOPIC. THE LIES THAT I TOLD TO CONGRESS IN FAIRNESS BENEFITTED MR. TRUMP. IN FURTHERANCE OF MY PROTECTION OF MR. TRUMP, WHICH I STATED IN MY TEMPERATURE. I AM NOT PROTECTING MR. TRUMP ANYMORE. WHILE I TRULY APPRECIATE TAKING SOME OF YOUR TIME ONTO IT, TO ATTACK ME EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT I HAD NO CREDIBILITY, IT IS FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I DON’T WANT YOU TO. LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.>>LET ME JUST SAY — I DON’T THINK MY COLLEAGUES ARE AFRAID YOU ARE GOING TO LIE. I THINK YOU YOU ARE AFRAID YOU ARE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH.>>THANK YOU, SIR.>>I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.>>I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO MR. LYNCH. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN AN AGENCY WHERE THIS HAPPENED. JAMES COMEY FIRED, LIED THREE TIMES UNDER OATH AS WE SPEAK. JIM BAKER, FBI COUNCIL DEMOTED THEN LEFT. CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION. LISA PAGE DEMOTED THEN LEFT. COUNTER INTELLIGENCE, DEMOTED THEN FIRED. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED. WE ASKED FOR ROB ROSENSTEIN. WE KNOW THREE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US ROB ROSENSTEIN WAS CONTEMPLATING USING THE 25th AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE GUY FROM PRESIDENCY. WE ASKED FOR HIM TO BE A WITNESS. INSTEAD WE GET 30 MINUTES FROM A GUY WHO IS GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. YOU WERE ASKED WHO ALL YOU TALKED TO. MR. SCHIFF, CUMMINGS. YOU’VE GONE BEFORE BOTH COMMITTEES. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO CHAIRMAN ADLER OR ANYONE ON HIS STAFF? IS. >>I DON’T KNOW ABOUT MY ATTORNEYS. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN THEM. I AM NOT AWARE IF MY ATTORNEYS — I CAN ASK THEM.>>YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND ASK HIM.>>THE ANSWER IS NO.>>YOU SAID AT THIS TIME, MR. DAVIS IS NOT GETTING PAID. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING WHEN I EARN A LIVING.>>HE’S GOING TO WAIT THREE YEARS?>>YES.>>I’VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT.>>I GUESS HE THINKS IT IS IMPORTANT.>>MR. COHEN, YOU ARE A DISGRACED LAWYER. YOU’VE BEEN DISBARRED. I’M SURE YOU REMEMBER. MAYBE YOU DON’T REMEMBER DUTY OF LOYALTY, DUTY OF CONFIDENCIALITY, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. I THINK THE MAN OVER YOUR SHOULDER KNOWS THAT WELL AND WOULDN’T DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE TODAY. WE WANT TO THINK OF YOU AS THIS ICON. YOU ARE THE PERSON SOMEBODY WOULD CALL AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. NO, YOU WOULDN’T. WE SAW MR. COMBER DISSECT YOU. IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE, YOU CONFLICTED YOUR TESTIMONY. YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. YOU DON’T KNOW TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.>>ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME OR THE PRESIDENT? IS. >>THIS IS MY TIME. SQUOO ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH RULE 37 IN THE CRIMINAL RULES AND PROCEDURES.>>I AM NOW.>>IT IS UNDERSTOOD YOU’VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRACT WITH NEW YORK. IS THAT TRUE?>>I’M IN CONTENT CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>PART OF THAT IS THE DISCUSSION OF REDUCING SENTENCE TIME?>>NO, IT IS NOT.>>PART OF YOUR REASON FOR APPEARING TODAY IS TO REDUCE YOUR SENTENCE TIME.>>I’M NOT SURE HOW I AM APPEARING HERE TODAY. IF THERE IS SOMETHING THIS GROUP CAN DO FOR ME, I WOULD GLADLY WELCOME IT. AMERICA IS WATCHING YOU. I’VE BEEN GETTING TEXTS RIGHT AND LEFT SAYING HOW CAN ANYBODY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON. HE DOESN’T KNOW FACT FROM FICTION. YOU DIDN’T DO THIS FOR DONALD TRUMP. YOU DID IT FOR YOU. THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU. THE TWITTER FEED. LET ME READ ANOTHER ONE. WOMEN LOVE MICHAEL COHEN, STRONG, PIT BULL, SEXY. ARED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AGAINST THE LAW. THAT IS PRETTY SAD. OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE WANTED TO HAVE TRUST. IT IS BUILT ON THE PREMISE WE ARE TRUTHFUL. THERE IS NO TRUTH WITH YOU WHATSOEVER. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU. TO LOOK UP HERE AND REMEMBER THE OLD ADAGE OUR MOMS TAUGHT US. LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. NO ONE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU. IT IS SAD. I WANT TO QUOTE THE CHAIRMAN’S VERY WORDS. THIS IS A REAL — HOLD ON. SAD STATE.>>MR. COLBERT.>>MR. COHEN, SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU STATE THE BAD THINGS YOU DID FOR MR. TRUMP. AND AT SOME POINT, YOU APPARENTLY CHANGED YOUR COURSE OF ACTION. THERE IS A REKURN REFRAIN THAT SAYS AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. AT SOME POINT, YOU CHANGED. WHAT WAS THE BREAKING POINT AT WHICH YOU DECIDED TO START TELLING THE TRUTH?>>THERE IS SEVERAL FACTORS. HELSINKI, CHARLOTTESVILLE, WATCHING THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER, PUTTING UP SILLY THINGS LIKE THIS, REALLY UNBECOMING OF CONGRESS. THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOR THAT I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR. I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SILLINESS. I DID THE SAME THING YOU ARE DOING NOW FOR TEN YEARS. I PROTECTED MR. TRUMP FOR TEN YEARS. THE FACT THAT YOU PULL UP A NEWS ARTICLE THAT HAS NO VALUE AND YOU WANT TO USE THAT AS THE PREMISE FOR DECEMBER — DISCREDITING ME AND SAY I’M NOT THE PERSON THAT PEOPLE WOULD CALL AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, WOULD MAKE YOU A LIAR. PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW MR. TRUMP BLINDLY WILL SUFFER THE SAME CONSEQUENCES I’M SUFFERING.>>WHAT WARNING DO YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE TEMPTED AS YOU WERE. WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO WAIT TEN YEARS TO SEE THE LIGHT? WHAT ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY LAWYERS TO NOT ABUSE THEIR BAR LICENSES?>>LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. I HAVE A WONDERFUL WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN. I ACHIEVED SUCCESS. I DIDN’T HAVE TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE I HAD TO. I WENT TO WORK FOR HIM BECAUSE I WANTED TO. IF I’M THE PICTURE OF WHAT NOT TO DO. THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO TEACH MY CHILDREN. I’VE MADE MISTAKES. I’M OWNING THEM. IF THAT ISN’T ENOUGH TO DISSUADE A PERSON FROM ACTING AS I DID, I’M NOT SURE THAT PERSON HAS ANY CHANCE VERY MUCH LIKE I’M IN RIGHT NOW.>>A RECURRING THEME IS THE CONCERN FOR YOUR FAMILIAR’S SAFETY? WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT?>>THE PRESIDENT HAS OVER 60 MILLION PEOPLE. WHEN HE TURNED AROUND EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN AND SAID, I CAN SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE AND GET AWAY WITH IT. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. HE’S NOT JOKING. HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. YOU DON’T KNOW HIM. I DO. I SAT NEXT TO THIS MAN FOR TEN YEARS AND I WATCHED THIS BACK. I’M THE ONE WHO STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN AND CONTINUED IN 2015 TO PROMOTE HIM. SO MANY THINGS I THOUGHT THAT HE CAN DO ARE JUST GREAT. AND HE IS DOING ARE JUST GREAT. BUT THIS DESTRUCTION OF CIVILITY, WHEN HE GOES ON TWITTER AND STARTS BRINGING IN MY INLAWS, MY WIFE, WHAT DOES HE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN. HE’S SENDING OUT THE MESSAGE HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS. IT IS BECOMING HIS COUNTRY AND HE’S BECOMING AN AUTOCRAT. AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN TO ME, MY FAMILY, MY CHILDREN SO I WON’T BE HERE TO TESTIFY. I THANKED EVERYBODY WHO JOINED AND SAID THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT.>>HAVE YOU SEEN MR. TRUMP PHYSICALLY THREAT PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM?>>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS.>>HE HAD TO HIRE PEOPLE TO DO THAT?>>I’M NOT SURE HE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE THEM, THEY ARE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYDAY MOST OF US KNEW WE WERE GOING TO COME IN AND LIE FOR HIM ON SOMETHING. THAT BECAME THE NORM. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY AND IS HAPPENING HERE IN GOVERNMENT, SIR.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY TIME IS EXPIRED.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? [ INAUDIBLE ]>>THAT’S OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.>>THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT AND REFORM HEARING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FORMER ATTORNEY MICHAEL COHEN GOT UNDER WAY THIS MORNING AT ABOUT 10:00. THEY’VE ABOUT AT IT A LITTLE OVER TWO HOURS. MR. COHEN REQUESTED A BREAK. WE DON’T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL LAST. IT SHOULD RESUME SHORTLY. OUR COVERAGE ON THE C-SPAN NETWORK INCLUDES A REAIR TONIGHT OF ALL OF THE HEARING. WE HAVE CAMERAS OUTSIDE OF THE HEARING ROOM ITSELF TO TALK WITH MEMBERS DURING THE BREAKS AND AFTERWARDS TO NIGHT. WE’LL BE LIVE FOR ALL OF IT HERE ON C-SPAN 3.>>CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS FROM THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. WE UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE A TEN MINUTE BREAK OR SO. SOMETIMES THESE HAVE A TENDENCY TO GO A LITTLE LONGER. AGAIN, A REMINDER, WE’LL REAIR ALL OF IT TONIGHT AT 10:00 EASTERN ON C-SPAN. YOU CAN FIND IT AT C-SPAN.ORG. WHILE WE ARE WAITING, WE’LL SHOW YOU AS MUCH AS WE CAN OF THE OPENING STATEMENT OF MICHAEL COHEN WHICH LASTED 30 MINUTES.>>PLEASE RISE AND I WILL BEGIN TO SWEAR YOU IN. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE MICROPHONES ARE SENSITIVE. PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THEM. WITHOUT OBJECTION, YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD. WITH THAT, MR. COHEN, YOU ARE NOW RECOGNIZED TO GIVE AN ORAL PRESENTATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY.>>CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, RANKING MEMBER JORDAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. I HAVE ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO ENSURE MY FAMILY BE PROTECTED FROM PRESIDENTIAL THREATS AND THAT THE COMMITTEE BE SENSITIVE TO QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I AM HERE UNDER OATH TO CORRECT THE RECORD, TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS TRUTHFULLY AND TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I RECOGNIZE SOME OF YOU MAY DOUBT AND ATTACK ME ON MY CREDIBILITY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON I HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS OPENING STATEMENT DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IRREFUTABLE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT INFORMATION YOU WILL HEAR IS ACCURATE AND TRUTHFUL. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I IMAGINE WHEN I ACCEPTED A JOB IN 2007 TO WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP THAT HE WOULD ONE DAY RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN ON A PLATFORM OF HATE AND INTOLERANCE AND ACTIVELY WIN. I REGRET THE DAY I SAID YES TO MR. TRUMP. I REGRET ALL THE HELP AND SUPPORT I GAVE HIM ALONG THE WAY. I AM ASHAMED OF MY OWN FAILINGS AND PUBLICLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM BY PLEADING GUILTY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I AM ASHAMED OF MY WEAKNESS AND MISPLACED LOYALTY OF THE THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE HIM. I AM ASHAMED THAT I CHOSE TO TAKE PART IN CONCEALING MR. TRUMP’S ILLICIT ACTS RATHER THAN LISTENING TO MY OWN CONSCIENCE. I AM ASHAMED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MR. TRUMP IS. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CON MAN. AND HE IS A CHEAT. HE WAS A PRESIDENTANT CANDIDATE THAT KNEW ROGER STONE WAS TALKING WITH WITH WIKI LEAK. I WILL EXPLAIN. I AM PROVIDING A FEW DOCUMENTS INCLUDING A COPY OF A CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. COPIES OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013 HE GAVE TO SUCH INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS DEUTSCHE BANK. A COPY OF AN ARTICLE WITH MR. TRUMP’S HANDWRITING THAT REPORTED ON AN AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF HIM SELF. HE ARRANGED FOR THE BIDDER AT THE TIME AND REIMBURSED THE BIDDER FROM HIS NONPROFIT CHARITABLE FOUNDATION WITH THE PICTURE NOW HANGING IN ONE OF HIS COUNTRY CLUBS. COPIES OF LETTERS I WROTE AT HIS DIRECTION THAT THREATENED HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGES AND COLLEGE BOARD NOT TO RELEASE HIS GRADES OR SAT SCORES. I HOPE MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY, MY GUILTY PLEA AND MY WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE STEPS ALONG A PATH OF REDEMPTION THAT WILL RESTORE FAITH IN ME AND HELP THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND OUR PRESIDENT BETTER. BEFORE GOING FURTHER, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH MEMBER, TO U.S. CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. THE LAST TIME I APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS, I CAME PROTECT MR. TRUMP. TODAY, I AM HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. IN CONVERSATIONS WE HAD DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AT THE SAME TIME I WAS ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA FOR HIM. HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN BUSINESS AND GO ON TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY SAYING THE SAME THING. IN HIS WAY, HE WAS TELLING ME TO LIE. THERE WERE AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN JANUARY 2016 AND JUNE WHEN HE WOULD ASK ME, HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA, REFERRING TO THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT — >>MS. FOX.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, YOU HAVE ADMITTED TO LYING ON YOUR TAXES. ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, YOU ALSO LIED TO BANKS TO GET LOANS, PROSECUTORS WROTE, QUOTE, TO REPORT FALSELY THE AMOUNT OF DEBT HE WAS CARRYING. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>YOU LIED ON FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS.>>YOU LIED TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN ORDER TO SECURE LOANS.>>YOU HAVE LINED TO BANKS AND TO CONGRESS. IT SEEMS THERE IS NOT MUCH YOU WON’T LIE ABOUT. YOUR COMMON CRIMES EACH INVOLVING DESEMGS AND BEING MOTIVATED BY YOUR PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITIOUS. IS YOUR APPEARANCE HERE TODAY MOTIVATED BY YOUR DESIRE TO REMAIN IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT?>>NO, MA’AM.>>YOU HAVE SOUGHT OUTWEIGHS TO REPAIR YOUR IMAGE TO AN HONORABLE TRUTHFUL MAN APPEARING BEFORE CABLE NEWS. I AM CONSIDERED YOU COULD BE USING YOUR STORY FOR PERSONAL BENEFIT SUCH AS A DESIRE TO MAKE MONEY FROM BOOK DEALS. CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH YOU HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT.>>NO.>>YOU CANNOT COMMIT TO MAKING MONEY OFF A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR WORK?>>NO. TWO PARTS TO YOUR QUESTION. THE FIRST PART YOU ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I HAD SPOKEN TO PEOPLE REGARDING A POSSIBLE BOOK DEAL. I HAVE. I HAVE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE WHO SOUGHT ME OUT REGARDING A MOVIE DEAL.>>I DIDN’T ASK IF YOU HAD TALKED TO ANYBODY. I SAID CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH YOU HAVE NOT AND WOULD NOT PURSUE A BOOK DEAL. >>I WILL NOT, NO.>>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH YOU WILL NOT PROVIDE COMMENTS TO A MAJOR NEWS NETWORK ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>NO. >>CAN YOU SAY YOU WILL NOT PURSUE POLITICAL OFFICE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK?>>NO.>>YOU DON’T COMMIT TO CHANGING YOUR WAYS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE YOUR BACKGROUND AS A LIAR, A CHEATER, A CONVICTED LIAR TO MAKE MONEY. THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO?>>THAT’S GONNA GET ME A BOOK DEAL, MOVIE DEAL, A SPOT ON TELL VISION. I DON’T THINK SO?>>IT APPEARS THAT IT WILL. I YIELD THE REMAINOR OF MY TIME.>>THANK YOU. IN YOUR STATEMENT TO THE COURT LAST YEAR, YOU SAID I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. MONTHS LATER, BUZZ FEED NEWS RAN THE STORY IN THE COUNTRY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. JANUARY 17, 2019. ON JANUARY 18, YOUR COUNCIL WENT ON TV AND WOULDN’T CONFIRM OR DENY THE STORY. THE NEXT DAY, SPECIAL COUNCIL DID SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATEMENTS IN THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THE DOCUMENTS AND TEMPERATURE OBTAINED BY THIS OFFICE REGARDING MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY ARE NOT ACCURATE.>>WHY DIDN’T YOUR LAWYER, THE DAY ON TV, WHY DIDN’T HE DENY THE BUZZ FEED STORY.>>I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT THE FACT CHECKERS FOR BUZZ FEED.>>YOU HAD THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVES THEM THE TRUTH ON A FALSE STORY. THE BUZZ FEED STORY. YOU LAWYER DIDN’T SAY A THING. HE SAID THIS, I CAN’T CONFIRM. I CAN’T DENY. YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ONE MONTH AFTER YOU SAID IT, YOU DIDN’T DO IT. WHY NOT?>>AGAIN, IT WASN’T OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE A FACT CHECKER OF A NEWS AGENT. THEY SAID SOMETHING THEY HAD NEVER DONE. THEY SAID THAT STORY WAS FALSE.>>THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD SOMETHING OVER 9,000 LIES TO DATE. I DO GO ON TELL VISION IN AN EFFORT TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES? THE ANSWER IS NO.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIRE IS EXPIRED.>>I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING, SIR, BETWEEN YOURSELF AND COLLEAGUES THAT NOT ONE QUESTION SO FAR HAS BEEN ASKED PRESIDENT TRUMP. THAT’S WHY I THOUGHT I CAME HERE TODAY. NOT TO CONFESS WHAT I DID. I’VE ALREADY DONE THAT. I’LL DO IT AGAIN. I’VE MADE MY MISTAKES. I’LL SAY IT NOW AGAIN. I’M GOING TO PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT MY TAXES. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT I KNOW ABOUT MR. TRUMP. NOT QUESTION SO FAR HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT MR. TRUMP.>>MR. CONWAY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, MR. COHEN, BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY AND TEN-YEAR EXPERIENCE, I THINK YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THE BEHAVIOR YOU ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. SLANDER, ANY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO PREVENT YOUR TESTIMONY FROM STICKING. TO PREVENT A WITNESS FROM COMING TO US THAT THEY FOUGHT MEANS YOU COULD NEVER TELL THE TRUTH. NOT A SINGLE WORD THEY SAY WOULD DISCREDIT EVER SINGLE ORGANIZE THE TRIAL. ALL OF IT DEPENDS ON SMON WHO TURNED. IT WOULD MAKE RICO NULL AND VOID. THIS CONGRESS HISTORICALLY HAS RELIED ON ALL KINDS OF SHADY FIGURES WHO TURNED. ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS WOUND UP WITHES MOST FAMOUS DECAPITATION. HE WAS COMMITTED OF A LOT WORSE CRIMES THAN YOU ARE COMMITTED OF. DON’T BE FOOLED BY WHAT MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE TRYING TO DO TODAY. IT IS DO EVERYTHING BUT FOCUS ON THE PRINCIPAL. DON’T ASK INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AS I RECALL. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. COHEN.>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>I WANT TO ASK SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN YOUR TESTIMONY AND SO FAR NOT MADE PUBLIC. IN OUR COMMITTEE SEARCH OF DOCUMENTS THAT WEREN’T OTHERWISE ALREADY REDACTED OR MADE PUBLIC, THEY MAY ONE MISTAKE. THERE WAS AN E-MAIL FROM A SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL DATED MAY 16, 2017. IT SAYS, POTUS, MEANING THE PRESIDENT, REQUESTED A MEETING ON THURSDAY WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND JAY SEKULO. DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED TO COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE AT OR AROUND THAT TIME? MAY OF 2017?>>OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR. I DON’T. I RECALL BUYING IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH JAY SEKULOW WITH REGARD TO THE DOCUMENT PRODUCTION AS WELL AS MY APPEARANCE BEFORE THE HOUSE SELECT INTEL. I’M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY. I WILL CHECK MY RECORDS. I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY DOCUMENTATION OR RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION. YOU TOUCHED ON PRESUMABLY THE DISCUSSION THIS MEETING OCCURRED JUST BEFORE YOUR MEETING IS THAT RIGHT?>>WAS THIS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF?>>IN THE OCCURRENCE I WAS THERE WITH MR. SEKULOW, YES?>>SO YOU HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT YOUR TESTIMONY. >>CORRECT.>>WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THAT CONVERSATION?>>HE WANTED ME TO COOPERATE. HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, THERE IS NO RUSSIA, THERE IS NO COLLUSION, THERE IS NO DEAL. HE GOES. IT IS ALL A WITCH HUNT. THIS STUFF HAS TO END.>>DID YOU TAKE THOSE COMMENTS TO BE SUGGESTIVE OF WHAT MIGHT FLAVOR YOUR TESTIMONY?>>SIR, HE’S BEEN SAYING THAT TO ME FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. AT THE END OF THE DAY. I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED ME TO SAY. WHY WAS MR. SEKULOW AT THE MEETING? BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO BE REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING FORWARD. >>IN ANY WAY DID THE PRESIDENT COACH YOU?>>AGAIN, IT IS DIFFICULT TO ANSWER. HE DOESN’T TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTS. AGAIN, MICHAEL, THERE IS NO RUSSIA, NO COLLUSION. I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM SO LONG. STAY IG ON POINT, THE PARTY LINE THAT HE CREATED THAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE TOURING. THAT’S THE MESSAGE HE WANTED TO REINFORCE.>>GENTLEMAN, YOUR TIME IS UP.>>WOULD YOU SAY AT TIMES YOU WOULD DO WHAT YOU THOUGHT MR. TRUMP WANTED YOU TO DO NOT WHAT HE TOLD YOU TO DO?>>YES.>>SO YOU WENT ON INTUITION?>>NOT INTUITION BUT WHAT I KNEW.>>DOES A LAWYER HAVE THE DUTY TO PROVIDE GOOD ADVICE.>>YES.>>DO YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE A GOOD LAWYER?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>YOU SAID, QUOTE, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER MUCH LESS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. END QUOTE. THAT’S YOUR END TESTIMONY TODAY. YOU DIDN’T EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT WAS LEGAL. HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR CLIENT LEGAL ADVICE WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING WHETHER IT IS LEGAL. I DID WHAT MR. TRUMP WANTED.>>I DIDN’T ASK WHETHER YOU WERE A GOOD FIXER. I ASKED IF YOU WERE A GOOD LAWYER.>>SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO MELD THEM BOTH TOGETHER. I NEEDED TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP, WHICH I AM CLEARLY SERVING THE PENALTY OF.>>YOU SAID WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER IF IT WAS PROPER OR THE RIGHT THING TO DO BY IGNORING ANY CONSCIENCE THAT YOU WERE PROTECTING MR. TRUMP.>>AS HIS LAWYER, YOU FEEL YOU DID A GOOD JOB. YOU SAID YOU WERE A GOOD LAWYER, RIGHT?>>IS THAT BEING A GOOD LAWYER? TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT IS LEGAL OR NOT?>>I DIDN’T WORK FOR THE CAMPAIGN I WAS WORKING FOR MR. TRUMP. THIS GOES ALL THE WAY TO 2011. THIS WAS IN THE FIRST SCENARIO MY POINT IS THIS IS AN ON GOING SITUATION.>>WHEN WERE YOU DISBARRED?>>YES FROM WHAT I READ IN THE PAPER.>>WHEN SHOULD YOU HAVE BEEN DISBARRED BASED ON THE LEGAL COUNCIL YOU WERE GIVING TO YOUR CLIENT?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>HOW LONG WERE YOU COIN SILL FOR MR. TRUMP?>>SINCE 2007.>>HOW LONG HAD YOU FAILED TO INFORM HIM AS YOU TESTIFIED TODAY IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENT TO CLIFFORD. WOULD THAT QUALIFY FOR DISBARMENT?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR. I’M NOT THE BAR ASSOCIATION.>>YOU SHOULD CONSULT WITH THEM.>>THERE IS NO POINT NOW, I LOST MY LAW LICENSE. >>HAS ANYONE ELSE OFFERED TO PAY MR. DAVIS FOR REPRESENTING YOU?>>NO.>>NOBODY HAS.>>NO. ARE YOU OFFERING.>>YOU SAID YOU BECOME PRIVY TO THE CONVERSATION OF HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS THAT THEY WOULD BE LEAKED.>>I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 18th OR 19th.>>DEFINITELY JULY?>>I BELIEVE SO, YES. >>DID YOU KNOW THAT WAS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE IN JUNE.>>I’LL SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD. IT WAS REPORTED TO THE MEDIA ON JUNE 12.>>I’M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE FAKE NEWS BUT OLD NEWS. THERE IS NOT MUCH TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. HIGGINS.>>THANK YOU, SIR. I’M QUOTING YOU FROM EARLIER SAID, I SPENT LAST WEEK LOOKING THROUGH DOCUMENTS TO FIND DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT ACCUSATIONS. WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES?>>IN A STORAGE.>>ARE THESE NOT BOXES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER DURING THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS?>>THEY WERE RETURNED TO ME. >>SHOULD THEY NOT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER. DOES MR. LANNY DAVIS KNOW ABOUT THESE BOXES?>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND HIS QUESTIONS. >>THANK YOU FOR COMING AND VOLUNTARILY TESTIFIFYING THIS MORNING. YOU WERE THE SPECIAL COUNCIL TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.>>SPECIAL COUNCIL TO DONALD J. TRUMP.>>SO YOU WERE THE ATTORNEY FOR HIM?>>THERE TO HANDLE MATTERS THAT HE FELT WERE IMPORTANT TO HIM.>>THOSE INCLUDED LEGAL MATTERS?>>YES, SIR.>>AS A FORMER ATTORNEY, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH LEGAL DOCUMENTS KNOWN AS NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS?>>YES.>>I’M SURE YOU KNOW THAT THEY CAN BE REASONABLE IN CERTAIN BUSINESS CONTEMPTS AND ABUSED TO CREATE A CHILLING EFFECT TO SILENCE PEOPLE AS WE’VE SEEN IN THE ME TOO MOVEMENT AND OTHER PLACES. ISN’T THAT RIGHT.>>YES.>>AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION USED NDAs EXTENSIVELY CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>I’M READING FROM AN ARTICLE WHERE THE TERMS ARE DESCRIBED AS VERY PROUD. THE TERMS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION WAS DEFINED TO BE ANYTHING THAT, QUOTE, INSISTS REMAIN PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THE PERSONAL LIFE, POLITICAL AFAIRS OR BUSINESS AFAIRS OF MR. TRUMP OR ANY FAMILY MEMBER, CLOSED QUOTE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR TO YOU?>>I’VE SEEN THAT DOCUMENT.>>THERE IS A CLASS ACTION DOCUMENT FILED BY FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN WORKING JESSICA DEN SON ISN’T LEGAL BECAUSE IT IS TOO BROAD, TOO VAGUE AND WOULD BE USED TO RETALIATE AGAINST EMPLOYEES WHO COMPLAINED OF ILLEGAL AT OR WRONGDOING. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE USE OF THESE TYPES OF NDAs WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND LATER WHEN DONALD TRUMP SOUGHT TO ENFORCE THEM, HE INTENDED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD WITH CLAIMS OF WRONGDOING?>>YES. >>WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE ATTEMPT WAS TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON PEOPLE OR SILENCE THEM FROM COMING FORWARD?>>IF YOU WANT TO DEFINE CHILLING.>>JUST USING THESE NDAs OR TRYING TO ENFORCE THEM WOULD TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE SILENT.>>THAT WAS THE GOAL. >>NOTHING WAS EVER DONE UNLESS IT WAS RUN THROUGH PRESIDENT TRUMP, IS THAT RIGHT?>>100% CERTAIN.>>MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE TODAY EITHER FROM THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS OR PERSONAL LIFE WHO ARE NOT COMING FORWARD TO TELL THEIR STORIES OF WRONGDOING BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT’S USE OF NDAs AGAINST THEM?>>I’M SORRY, SIR. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.>>WHEN WAS THE LAST COMMUNICATION WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP OR SOMEONE WORKING ON HIS BEHALF?>>I DON’T HAVE THE SPECIFIC DATE BUT IT WAS A WHILE AGO.>>DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL TIME FRAME?>>I WOULD SUSPECT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO MONTHS POST THE RAID OF MY HOME. >>SO EARLY FALL OF LAST YEAR?>>MAYBE.>>WHAT DID HE OR HIS AGENT COMMUNICATE TO YOU?>>THIS TOPIC IS BEING INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I’VE BEEN ASKED BY THEM NOT TO DISCUSS IT OR TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.>>FAIR ENOUGH.>>IS THERE ANY OTHER WRONGDOING OR ILLEGAL ACT REGARDING DONALD TRUMP WE HAVEN’T DISCUSSED TODAY?>>YES. THOSE ARE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>SIR, CONGRESSMAN COOPER ASKED IF YOU WERE AWARE OF ANY PHYSICAL VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ABUSING ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO.>>DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING DE-LYNN KWENT ON ALIMONY OR CHILD CARE PAYMENTS?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT.>>DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ARRANGING FOR MEDICAL PROCEDURES FOR ANY WOMAN NOT IN HIS FAMILY?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO.>>MR. CLOUD.>>THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, CAN YOU TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MAY 6? COUPLE MONTHS FROM NOW.>>THAT IS THE DAY I NEED TO SURRENDER IN FEDERAL PRISON.>>CAN YOU FOR THE RECORD STATE WHAT YOU’VE BEEN CONVICTED OF?>>FIVE COUNTS OF TAX EVASION, ONE COUNT OF MISREPRESENT OF DOCUMENTS TO A BANK, TWO COUNTS, ONE DEALING WITH CAMPAIGN FINANCE FOR KAREN McDOUGAL, ONE FOR CAMPAIGN VIOLATIONS RELATING TO STORMY DANIELS AS WELL AS LYING TO CONGRESS.>>CAN YOU STATE WHAT YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE WITH THE CAMPAIGN WAS?>>I DID NOT HAVE A POSITION IN THE CAMPAIGN. >>AND IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>I DID NOT HAVE A TITLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION.>>THE DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAYS THIS, COHEN’S CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS WERE STIRRED BY HIS OWN AMBITION AND GREED. HE PRIVATELY TOLD FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES, HE EXPECTED TO BE GIVEN A PROMINENT ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. WHEN THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE, HE FOUND A WAY TO MONITIZE HIS POSITION.>>WERE THEY LYING OR ARE YOU LYING TODAY?>>I’M NOT SAYING THEY ARE LYING. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I BROUGHT AN ATTORNEY AND SAT WITH MR. TRUMP WITH HIM WELL OVER AN HOUR EXPLAINING THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A PERSONAL ATTORNEY THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAS HAD ONE TO HANDLE MATTERS LIKE I WAS DEALING WITH WHICH INCLUDED STORMY DANIELS STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AND OTHER PERSONAL MATTERS THAT NEEDED — >>EXCUSE ME. THIS IS MY TIME. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO SUBMIT IN FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>I’LL GIVE IT TO YOU IN A SECOND. THIS STATES YOU COMMITTED FOUR DISTINCT CRIMES. MOTIVATED TO DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND REPEATEDLY USED YOUR POWER TO INFLUENCE TO DECEPTIVE ENDS. IT GOES ON TO SAY THEY EACH INVOLVED AND WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR HORM. INVOLVED DECEPTION AND WERE MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND DECEPTION. THERE IS A LOT WE DON’T KNOW. HERE IS WHAT WE DO KNOW. YOU WERE EXPECTING A JOB AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND DIDN’T GET IT. YOU MADE MILLIONS OF LYING FOR THE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LIES TO BANKS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOUR FAMILY, CONGRESS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU SAID YOU DID THIS OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY TO TRUMP. YOUR SENTENCING MEMO SAID THIS, THIS IS NOT AN ACT OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY, HE WAS DRIVEN TO ENGRASHATE HIMSELF WITH THE FUTURE PRESIDENT WHOSE SUCCESS HE GAVE HIMSELF CREDIT FOR. WE ARE IN SEARCH FOR TRUTH AND I DON’T KNOW HOW WE’RE SUPPOSED TO ASCERTAIN TRUTH WHEN THE WITNESS HAS BEEN CONVICTED FOR LYING BEFORE US. WHAT’S SAD IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT BEFORE. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PREDOMINANT POSITIONS FAIL AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS LATER, THEY GET A BOOK DEAL. YOU’RE SET TO GO TO JAIL FOR A COUPLE YEARS. IF YOU COME OUT WITH A BOOK DEAL, THAT’S NOT BAD LIVING. MY QUESTION IS, WILL YOU TODAY — WILL YOU COMMIT TO DONATE ANY FURTHER PROCEEDS TO CHARITY. >>NO.>>THANK YOU. WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD?>>MAY I FINISH. >>I YIELD TO MR. MEADOWS.>>MAY I FINISH — >>HE’S YELLED TO ME.>>I DIDN’T FINISH MY RESPONSE. EVERYTHING — >>I’M — MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I FINISH MY RESPONSE?>>ANSWER HIS QUESTION, PLEASE.>>MR. COHEN, EVERYTHING’S BEEN MADE OF YOUR LIES IN THE PAST. I’M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR LIES TODAY. UNDER YOUR TESTIMONY JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, TO ME, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES AND YET WE HAVE A TRUTH AND TESTIMONY DISCLOSURE FORM WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO LIST THOSE FOREIGN CONTRACTS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND YOU PUT NA ON THERE. AND IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT HAVE THAT ACCURATELY. SO WHEN WERE YOU LYING? EITHER IN THE TESTIMONY TO ME EARLIER TODAY OR WHEN YOU FILLED OUT THE FORM?>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MR. COHEN, YOU MAY ANSWER HIS QUESTION AND WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO SAY — >>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIS QUESTION — >>NO, NO, NO, NO. MR. CHAIRMAN — >>AS IT RELATES — >>HE SAID HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN WE WERE IN THE MAJORITY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN — >>THE GENTLEMAN HAS JUST SAID HE DOESN’T HAVE AN ANSWER AND YOU’VE ALREADY GONE OVER YOUR TIME. >>HE’S UNDER OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH. ONE OF THEM IS NOT ACCURATE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>YOU’LL HAVE TIME — >>MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST A QUESTION.>>MR. COHEN THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPOSURE TODAY. OUR COLLEAGUES ARE NOT UPDATE BECAUSE YOU LIED TO CONGRESS, THEY’RE UPSET BECAUSE YOU STOPPED LYING FOR THE PRESIDENT. YOU DESCRIBED THIS AS THE GREAT — DO YOU THINK IT EVER STOPPED ABOUT BEING MAKING MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT, HIS FAMILY AND HIS ORGANIZATION?>>YES.>>WHEN DID IT STOP BEING THAT?>>WHEN HE WON THE ELECTION. >>WHAT DID IT BECOME AT THAT POINT?>>THEN IT HAD TO BE ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO HERE IN WASHINGTON. >>CAN YOU CAREFULLY EXPLAIN TO AMERICA HOW THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO KAREN McDOUGAL AND STORMY DANIELS WORKING? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT CATCH AND KILL IS?>>SURE. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL REGARDING BOTH KAREN McDOUGAL AS WELL AS STORMY DANIELS, OBVIOUSLY, DIFFERENT TIMES, INDICATING THAT THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WERE GOING TO BE DAMAGING TO MR. TRUMP WITH THE STORMY DANIELS IT STARTED IN 2011 WHEN HE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING REMOVED FROM A WEBSITE AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I MET KEITH — I SPOKE WITH KEITH DAVIDSON, HER THEN ACTING ATTORNEY, AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING IT TAKEN DOWN FROM THE E. IT WASN’T UNTIL YEARS LATER AROUND THE TIME OF THE CAMPAIGN DID THEY COME BACK AND THEY ASK WHAT — WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW BECAUSE SHE’S BACK ON THE TRAIL TRYING TO SELL THE STORY? AT WHICH POINT IN TIME DAVID PECKER ON BEHALF OF THE “NATIONAL ENQUIRER” REACHED OUT TO HER AND HER ATTORNEY TO TAKE A LOOK AT LIE DIRECTOR TESTS THAT WOULD PROVE THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. THEY CONTACTED ME AND TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, AT WHICH POINT — >>SHE TOOK A LIE DETECTOR TEST.>>SHE DID. AT WHICH POINT IN TIME I EXPLAINED WHY THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER TIME. >>WHEN YOU SAY DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER TIME, WERE THERE OTHER WOMEN PAID SEXUAL HUSH MONEY BY DONALD TRUMP, WAS THIS A STANDARD OPERATING PRACTICE?>>NO. I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CASE MR. TRUMP PAID. WHICH BRINGS US TO THE KAREN McDOUGAL. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY $125,000 FOR THE LIFE STORY OF KAREN McDOUGAL. WHATEVER REASON, HE ELECTED NOT TO PAY IT. DAVID PECKER WAS VERY ANGRY BECAUSE THERE WAS OTHER MONIES THAT DAVID HAD EXPENDED ON HIS BEHALF. UNFORTUNATELY DAVID NEVER GOT PAID BACK FOR THAT EITHER. >>SO DAVID DID THIS IN OTHER –>>OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, YES. NOT ALL OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH WOMEN. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE AT HOME OR ABROAD THAT MAY HAVE SUBJECTED HIM TO OR MAY SUBJECT HIM TO EXTORTION OR BLACKMAIL?>>I AM NOT, NO.>>OKAY. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY VIDEOTAPES THAT MAY BE THE SUBJECT OF EXTORTION OR BLACKMAIL?>>I’VE HEARD ABOUT THESE TAPES FOR A LONG TIME. I’VE HAD MANY PEOPLE CONTACT ME OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT TAPE EXISTS.>>IN DECEMBER 2015, DONALD TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH FELIX SAIDER, A CONVICTED FELONY AND HE REPLIED, HAVE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. I’M NOT THAT — WHY DID HE ENDEAVOR TO HIDE HIS RELATIONSHIP. >>HE CERTAINLY HAD A RELATIONSHIP. FELIX WAS A PARTNER IN A COMPANY CALLED BAY ROCK WHAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL OF A TRUMP SOHO HOTEL AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THE TRUMP FT. LAUDERDALE PROJECT. WHY DID HE WANT TO DISTANCE HIMSELF, THAT’S WHAT MR. TRUMP DOES. HE DISTANCES HIMSELF WHEN THINGS GO BAD FOR SOMEONE AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT WAS GOING BAD FOR MR. SAIDER. >>YOU SAID YOU LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT TRUMP’S NEGOTIATIONS TO BUILD HIS MOSCOW TOWER BECAUSE HE MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT HE WANTED YOU TO LIE. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU KNEW THIS WAS BECAUSE MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE IT. SO THIS IS A PRETTY BREATHTAKING CLAIM AND I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE FACTS HERE. WHICH SPECIFIC LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED YOUR STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ON THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS AND DID THEY MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR STATEMENT?>>THERE WERE CHANGES MADE, ADDITIONS — >>WERE THERE CHANGES ABOUT THE TIMING — >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES THAT WERE MADE INCLUDING HOW WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE THAT MESSAGE WHICH WAS THE MESSAGE OF COURSE BEING THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT STAYED AND REMAINED ALIVE.>>THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES?>>YES.>>FIRST OF ALL I’D LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOMETHING JUST SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME. YOU STARTED OFF YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOU SAID I THINK IN RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTION THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DEALT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP SEVERAL TIMES AS HE WAS TRYING TO GET WISCONSIN, HE WAS ALWAYS CONFIDENT, HE WAS WORKING VERY HARD AND THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW HE WAS JUST RUNNING TO RAISE HIS PROFILE FOR SOME FUTURE ADVENTURE IS PREPOSTEROUS. BUT BE THAT AT IT MAY, MY FIRST QUESTION CONCERNS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COURT. DO YOU EXPECT — RIGHT NOW I THINK YOUR SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS, CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>DO YOU EXPECT ANYTIME USING THIS TESTIMONY, OTHER TESTIMONY, AFTER YOU GET DONE DOING WHATEVER YOU’RE GOING TO DO THIS WEEK, DO YOU EVER EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR ANY REDUCTION IN SENTENCE?>>YES. THERE ARE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS CURRENTLY BEING CONDUCTED THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR CONGRESS THAT I AM ASSISTING IN AND IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF A RULE 35 MOTION, YES. >>SO YOU EXPECT AND PERHAPS WHAT YOU TESTIFY HERE TODAY WILL AFFECT GOING BACK AND REDUCING THIS — WHAT WE THINK IS A RELATIVELY LIGHT SENTENCE, YOU EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR A FURTHER REDUCTION. >>BASED UPON MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY?>>WHATEVER YOU DO BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR REQUEST — >>THE RULE 35 MOTION IS IN THE COMPLETE HANDS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. AND THE WAY THE RULE 35 MOTION WORKS IS WHAT YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION THAT LEADS TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I AM CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW ON SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES OF INVESTIGATION THAT CONCERNS THEM, THAT THEY’RE LOOKING AT. IF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE FRUITFUL, THEN THERE’S A POSSIBILITY FOR A RULE 35 MOTION AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE BENEFIT IN TERMS OF TIME WOULD BE. BUT THIS CONGRESSIONAL HEARING TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE THE BASIS OF A RULE 35 MOTION. I WISH IT WAS. BUT IT’S NOT.>>I’D LIKE TO YIELD SOME TIME TO CONGRESSMAN JORDAN.>>I YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA. >>I’M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED BEFORE WITH REGARD TO YOUR FALSE STATEMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS. ON HERE IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT IT ASKED FOR CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. HAVE YOU HAD ANY FOREIGN CONTACT WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES, WHETHER IT’S IN A VAR RIS — YOUR TESTIMONY SAID YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH THEM. IN FACT YOU WENT INTO DEAL — >>IT TALKS ABOUT LOBBYING. I DID NO LOBBYING — >>IN YOUR TESTIMONY — I’M NOT ASKING ABOUT LOBBYING DSHL. >>THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. THEY ARE PRIVATELY — PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANIES. >>DO YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS?>>I CURRENT — >>DID YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS?>>FOREIGN CONTRACTS?>>CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES?>>YES.>>WHY DIDN’T YOU PUT THEM ON THE FORM. IT SAYS IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT PUT THEM ON THIS FORM. WHY DID YOU NOT DO THAT. >>BECAUSE THOSE FOREIGN COMPANIES THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO ARE NOT GOVERNMENT COMPANIES.>>IT SAYS NONGOVERNMENTAL — IT SAYS FOREIGN CONTRACTS. DO YOU WANT US TO READ IT TO YOU?>>I READ IT AND IT WAS REVIEWED BY MY COUNSEL AND I AM A NONGOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE AND IT WAS NOT LOBBYING — >>THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOBBYING. IT SAYS IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT LIST ALL OF YOUR FOREIGN CONTRACTS. >>THEN I’M GOING TO TAKE A LOOK — AND HOPEFULLY I WILL AMEND IT PRIOR TO LEAVING BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THE WAY I READ YOUR DOCUMENT. >>IT’S ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF YOU SKIRTING THE TRUTH. I WANT TO ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION, MR. COHEN, IT’S MY TIME NOT YOURS. WERE YOU ADVISED OR WAS YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITH HOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE AS JOHN DEAN SAID LAST NIGHT ON CNN?>>WAS IT MY WHAT?>>WERE YOU ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE TO GET IT TO THIS COMMITTEE AS JOHN DEAN SAID THAT HE ADVISED YOU? YES OR NO?>>NO. WE WILL — >>HE NEVER — >>JOHN DEAN? I’VE NEVER SPOKEN WITH JOHN DEAN.>>HAS HE SPOKEN TO YOUR ATTORNEY. >>I DON’T KNOW — >>ASK YOUR — >>WE WERE WORKING LAST NIGHT UNTIL 11, 12:00 — >>YOU KNOW YOU’VE BEEN COMING FOR SOME TIME — >>YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>WE WERE WORKING TILL 11, 12:00 LAST NIGHT TO FINISH EVERYTHING.>>SO YOU WERE WRITING IT LAST NIGHT? DON’T GIVE ME THAT BULL.>>WE WERE MAKING EDITS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT.>>I RECOGNIZE MR. RUDOLPH. >>THANK YOU. MR. COHEN, IN NOVEMBER 2013, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN A LAWSUIT RELATED TO THE FAILED REAL ESTATE PROJECT, DURING THE DEPOSITION, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OF FELIX SAIDER, A RUSSIAN BORN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND CONVICTED MEMBER OF THE RUSSIAN MAFIA WHO PLED GUILTY FOR HIS ROLE IN A 40 MILLION STOCK MANIPULATION SCHEME. IT’S WORTH NOTING THE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN MAFIA AND THE KREMLIN. PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED HOW MANY TIMES HE INTERACTED WITH CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SAIDER. IN 2013, PRESIDENT TRUMP TESTIFIED THAT, QUOTE, NOT MANY, IF HE WERE SITTING IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, I REALLY WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE UNQUOTE. MR. COHEN, AS YOU PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SAIDER IN 2013 WHEN HE MADE THAT STATEMENT?>>YES.>>ISN’T IT TRUE THAT BECAUSE OF MR. SAIDER’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, THAT HE HAD AN OFFICE IN THE TRUMP TOWER?>>AND ON THE 26th FLOOR, MR. –>>IT’S IMPORTANT, WHY?>>BECAUSE IT’S MR. TRUMP’S FLOOR. >>HE HAD AN OFFICE ON THE SAME FLOOR AS PRESIDENT TRUMP?>>IN FACT HIS OFFICE BECAME MY OFFICE. >>AND ISN’T IT TRUE THAT CONVICTED RUSSIAN MAFIA RUSSIAN MAFIA SAIDER HAD BUSINESS CARDS THAT HE WAS A SENIOR ADVISER TO DONALD TRUMP?>>YES.>>DID CONVICTED RUSSIAN MAFIA FELIX SAIDER PAY RENT FOR HIS OFFICE?>>NO, HE DID NOT. >>BASED ON THOSE FACTS, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MISLED AT BEST OR WORSE, LIED UNDER OATH?>>YES.>>IN DECEMBER 2015, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED AGAIN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MAFIA MR. SAIDER BY A REPORTER FOR THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. HE STATED, QUOTE, FELIX SAIDER, BOY, I HAVE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, UNQUOTE. HE ASKED, QUOTE, I’M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH HIM, UNQUOTE. MR. COHEN, WHERE WOULD WE FIND BUSINESS RECORDS THAT EXPLAIN THE PRESIDENT’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SAIDER?>>THEY WOULD BE IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S FILES. THERE WOULD BE CCs TO BAYROCK. POSSIBLY HARD FILES IN POSSESSION OF MR. SAIDER.>>AND WHEN YOU SAY IN POSSESSION OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, WHERE?>>IT DEPENDS UPON WHO THE ATTORNEY WAS WHO WAS WORKING ON IT. NOW IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A BOX OFF SITE. THEY HAVE STORAGE FACILITIES THAT THEY PUT OLD FILES. >>IN ADDITION TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER SAIDER, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER TIES TO MOBSTERS PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY HAVE?>>I’M NOT AWARE. >>ISN’T IT TRUE WITH MANY PEOPLE WITH TIES TO RUSSIA BOUGHT PROPERTY IN TRUMP PROPERTIES IN CASH?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY. THE STATEMENT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WAS MADE BY ERIC OR DON. I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CASH PURCHASES BY RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF TRUMP PROPERTIES?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT. WHEN YOU SAY CASH, IF YOU MEAN WALKING IN WITH A SATCHEL OF RUBBLES, I’VE NEVER HEARD OF IT. WHEN WE SOLD MR. TRUMP’S PROPERTY IN FACSIMILE BEACH, THE HOME FOR $95 MILLION, IT CAME IN BY WIRE AND THAT CAME FROM A RUSSIAN BANK ACCOUNT. >>YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP DOING NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN REGARDING THE TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW. WAS HE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE — THOSE DOERKSS AND IF SO, HOW DO YOU KNOW?>>THE ANSWER IS, YES, AND AS IT RELATES TO NEGOTIATIONS, IT WAS MERELY FOLLOW UPS AS TO WHAT’S CURRENTLY HAPPENING, WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH RUSSIA MEANING HE WANTED ME TO GIVE HIM A STATUS REPORT. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THE PROJECT NEVER ADVANCED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE ME THAT PROOF THAT SOMEBODY OWNED OR CONTROLLED THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD ON. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >>MR. COHEN, WHY DID MR. TRUMP CHOOSE TO HIRE YOU AND WHY DID HE TRUST YOU WITH THE VARIOUS TASKS THAT YOU PERFORMED FOR HIM?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.>>WE’VE HEARD HERE THAT YOU HAVE BAD CHARACTER, YOU’VE ADMIT TODAY THAT OVER THE YEARS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE CHOSE TO HIRE YOU?>>IN 2006, I WAS ASKED BY DON JR. TO COME MEET WITH HIS FATHER. I DID. HE THEN FOLLOWED UP BY ASKING IF I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AN ISSUE THAT WAS OCCURRING AT TRUMP WORLD TOWER WITH THE BOARD. I WENT AHEAD AND I LOOKED INTO IT AND I FOUND THAT THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE THE BOARD WERE MAKING ABOUT MR. TRUMP WERE INACCURATE. AND THE REASON DON CAME TO ME IS BECAUSE I HAD AN APARTMENT THERE FOR INVESTMENT, MY PARENTS, MY IN LAWS. FRIENDS OF MINE. WE ALL BOUGHT IT FROM A BROKERAGE COMPANY AND WE GOT A GOOD PRICE ON EACH UNIT. AND WE ULTIMATELY TURNED OVER THE BOARD AND I BECAME THE TREASURER OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THE OUT OF CONTROL PENDING WAS GOING TO PUT THE BOARD INTO BANKRUPTCY. AND WITHIN A YEAR WE HAD PLUS A MILLION DOLLARS VERSUS MINUS 1.3. HE TASKED ME WITH SOMETHING ELSE, IT WAS TO HANDLE A PROBLEM THAT DON JR. HAD CREATED IN TERMS OF A BUSINESS — A LICENSE DEAL. AND WE RESOLVED THAT. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE THIRD TIME, MR. TRUMP HAD ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THIRD TRUMP ENTERTAINMENT RESORT, CHAPTER 11 REORGANIZATION BECAUSE HE HAD A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT HE WANTED ANSWERED, AND I READ THESE TWO STACK BOOKS, GAVE HIM THE ANSWERS THAT HE NEEDED AND WITH THAT, HE — IN THE NEXT TIME I WAS SITTING IN HIS OFFICE AND HE ASKED ME IF I WAS HAPPY AT THE FIRM I WAS WITH, AND I SAID, YES, AND HE SAID WOULD YOU RATHER WORK FOR ME. I SAID ARE YOU OFFERING ME A JOB? AND HE SAID, YEAH, AND WE NEGOTIATED AND I NEVER WENT BACK TO MY OFFICE.>>YOU SUGGESTED THAT THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATES HIS WISHES INDIRECTLY. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES END QUOTE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW HE DOES THIS. >>IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF I SAID THAT’S THE NICEST LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN. ISN’T IT? ARE YOU GOING TO FIGHT WITH HIM. THE ANSWER IS NO. YOU SAY, YEAH. THAT’S HOW HE SPEAKS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU QUESTIONS, HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ORDERS. HE SPEAKS IN A CODE AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR A DECADE.>>AND IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL. >>MOST PEOPLE, YES.>>MR. COHEN, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU TODAY, BUT I’M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS ONE LAST QUESTION. WHAT IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP FEARS MOST?>>THAT’S A TOUGH QUESTION, SIR. I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT ONE. WHAT DOES HE FEAR MOST?>>WHAT’S THE TRUTH THAT HE FEARS MOST? FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. AND I DON’T KNOW WHETHER HE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU HERE TODAY. >>IT’S A TOUGH QUESTION. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT PRINCIPLES HAVE YOU CHOSEN TO FOLLOW IN YOUR LIFE AND DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES NOW?>>I’VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE A GOOD PERSON. I’VE TRIED TO BE A GREAT FRIEND. THERE WERE OVER 40 STATEMENTS WRITTEN IN MY SUPPORT TO THE SENTENCING JUDGE. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO I TREAT INCREDIBLY WELL THAT I KNOW FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I TREAT PEOPLE AFTER 40 MINUTES THE SAME EXACT WAY. AM I PERFECT? NO. DO I MAKE MISTAKES, YES, HAVE I MADE MISTAKES, ABSOLUTELY AND I’M GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR IT. BUT ALL I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO GET MY LIFE BACK TO PROTECT MY WIFE AND CHILDREN, SUPPORT AND GROW OLD. >>YOU FEEL YOU’RE FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT SET OF PRINCIPLES NOW?>>I DO. AND I’M TRYING. I’M TRYING VERY HARD. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO SHOW SOME REDEMPTION. BUT I AM — I AM TRYING. I AM TRYING.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO MENTION REALLY QUICK A CLARIFICATION ON THE TRUTH AND TESTIMONY FORM. THE MENTION WAS AROUND WHETHER IT TALKS ABOUT FOREIGN ENTITIES AT ALL, AND THE QUESTION IS IN FACT WHETHER WITNESSES HAVE ANY CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS ORIGINATING WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. IT DOES NOT COVER ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES, JUST FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO DO IS REVIEW THIS ISSUE OVER LUNCH WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS AND IF YOU NEED TO AMEND YOUR FORM, WE ASK THAT YOU DO THAT BEFORE THE CONCLUSION OF TODAY’S HEARING. ALSO, I REPRESENT A PURPLE DISTRICT. WHEN I ASK THESE QUESTIONS TODAY, IT IS NOT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A VENDETTA AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. IT’S SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM GENERATIONS OF SERVICE MEMBERS WHO SWORE AN OATH TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WHO ALONG WITH MYSELF AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON UP HERE SWORE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. MY FORE FATHERS SERVED THEIR COUNTRY, THEY SERVED THEIR COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND THEY SERVED THE IDEA THAT AMERICA IS FREE AND JUST AND THAT THE LAW OF THE LAND RULES US ALL, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. SO I ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OUR VERY OWN PRESIDENT COMMITTED FELONY CRIMES WHILE SERVING IN THE OVAL OFFICE INCLUDING EFFORTS TO CONCEAL PAYMENTS THAT WERE INTENDED TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC AND INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION. I HOPE TO GOD THAT IS NOT THE CASE. MR. COHEN, ON JANUARY 22nd, 2018, JUST DAYS OF THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” BROKE THE STORY THAT MONEY WAS PAID TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD, THEY ALLEGED THE PAYMENT MAY HAVE — I ASK ASK THAT THEIR COMPLAINT BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. YOU SENT A STATEMENT TO THE REPORTERS THAT SAID I USED MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS TO FACILITATE A PAYMENT OF $130,000 TO MS. STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AND NOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS INVOLVED IN THE TRANSACTION. WAS THE STATEMENT FALSE?>>THE STATEMENT IS NOT FALSE. I PURPOSEFULLY LEFT OUT MR. TRUMP INDIVIDUALLY FROM THAT STATEMENT.>>OKAY. WHY DID YOU SAY IT THAT WAY?>>BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TO DO BETWEEN MYSELF, MR. TRUMP, AND ALAN WEISSELBERG.>>SO IT WAS CAREFULLY WORDED. >>YES.>>A REPORTER SAID SHE INTERVIEWED YOU THE NEXT DAY ABOUT THE PAYMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT AND SHE WROTE LAST FEBRUARY 14th I INTERVIEWED COHEN IN HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE STATEMENT HE GAVE THE FEC WHICH WERE HE SAID TRUMP DIDN’T RECALL THE PAYMENT. I COULDN’T HEAR MUCH BUT HE WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING WOULD BE. IS THAT ACCURATE?>>IT IS. >>DID THE PRESIDENT CALL YOU TO COORDINATE ON PUBLIC MESSAGING ABOUT THE PAYMENTS TO MS. CLIFFORD’S IN OR AROUND 2018?>>YES.>>WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT ASK YOU TO SAY?>>HE WAS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THESE REIMBURSEMENTS AND HE WASN’T KNOWLEDGEABLE OF MY ACTIONS.>>HE ASKED YOU TO SAY THAT?>>YES, MA’AM. >>GREAT. IN ADDITION TO THE PERSONAL CHECK FOR $35,000 IN JULY 2017, IS THERE ADDITIONAL CORROBORATING EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP DIRECTLY REIMBURSED YOU HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. >>THERE ARE 11 CHECKS THAT I RECEIVED FOR THE YEAR. THE REASON WHY 11 BECAUSE AS I STATED BEFORE ONE HAD TWO CHECKS.>>AND YOU HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THOSE?>>I CAN GET COPIES. I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK. >>SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET COPIES OF ALL CHECKS THAT MR. TRUMP PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THIS CRIMINAL SCHEME?>>IT’S EITHER FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS WHAT WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE EXHIBIT OR IT WOULD COME FROM THE DONALD J. TRUMP ACCOUNT, THE TRUST ACCOUNT.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I YIELD BACK THE REMINDER OF MY TIME.>>MR. GIBBS.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I’VE BEEN SITTING HERE, I’M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE. I’M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THIS — YOU COMING HERE AND YOU RAIL ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, COMMANDER IN CHIEF, WHILE HE’S OVER ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN, TRYING TO NEGOTIATE AND HAVING THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME — BUT YOU CALL HIM A RACIST, A CHEAT. YOU’RE ATTACKING HIS CHARACTER AND I’VE BEEN WITH THE PRESIDENT A LITTLE BIT AND I DIDN’T SEE THAT IN THE PRESIDENT. I SEE A PRESIDENT WHO’S VERY SINCERE, HE’S TRYING TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY BETTER FOR EVERY AMERICAN AND FOR YOU TO COME IN HERE AND DO THIS, IT’S REALLY UNBELIEVABLE. REAL REPENCENCE WOULD BE GO SERVE YOUR TIME AND DON’T COME HERE AND MAKE ALLEGATIONS. LOOKING HERE FROM THE REMARKS ON THE PROSECUTOR OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, FALSE STATEMENTS TO BANK 3 WHICH COHEN PLEADED GUILTY — IT WAS A LONG SERIES OF SELF-SERVING LIES COHEN TOLD NUMEROUS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. EARLIER IN YOUR TESTIMONY, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY IT WAS A HOME EQUITY LOAN. BUT THE PROSECUTORS THINK THERE WERE OTHER FINANCIAL THINGS THAT YOU DID. MANAGED TO COMMIT A SERIES OF CRIMES ALL WHILE BEING A LICENSED ATTORNEY. ALSO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT PROSECUTORS SAID THAT — WROTE THAT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONGDOING IS FLEETING, THAT YOUR REMORSE IS MINIMAL AND YOUR EXTINCT TO BLAME OTHERS IS STRONG. SO I’M KIND OF LEFT HERE, WHY YOU WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT FOR TEN YEARS, BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT, IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF INTEGRITY, WAS THAT BAD, WHY DIDN’T YOU LEAVE? YOU WEREN’T STUCK THERE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS, YOU HAD WAYS TO LEAVE. YOU WERE AN ATTORNEY. THAT’S KIND OF — THE PRESIDENT IS WORKING TIRELESSLY. YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY LUCRATIVE DEAL AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON’T LOOK LIKE YOU’RE CLOSE TO RETIREMENT. YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A DEAL. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, TALKS WITH YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEY AND THERE’S BEEN TALKS ABOUT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND STAFF AND YOU SAID THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS, WAS ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU OR YOUR ATTORNEYS HAD WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OR STAFF OR PROSECUTORS TO CONSIDERATIONS TO FAVOR OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OF YOUR FAMILY IN THE FUTURE?>>NO. THE CONVERSATIONS WERE ABOUT THE TOPICS AND BECAUSE THERE WERE THINGS THAT ORIGINALLY WE COULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT AT THE REQUEST OF WHETHER IT WAS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR ANY OF THE OTHER AGENCIES INCLUDING THE HOUSE SELECT INTEL OR THE SENATE SELECT INTEL. JUST FOR YOUR PERSONAL EDIFICATION HERE, I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE. YOUR CHAIRMAN SENT A LETTER TO MR. DAVIS. AND I ACCEPTED. SO I’M HERE VOLUNTARILY. >>I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THIS IS POLITICAL THEATER. >>I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT MR. TRUMP. YOU’VE MET HIM FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I’VE BEEN WITH HIM FOR OVER A DECADE. I’VE TRAVELED WITH HIM INTERNATIONALLY, I’VE SPENT DINNERS WITH HIM. IT DOESN’T MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON HERE. AND AS FAR AS SAVING FACE, I’M NOT SURE HOW BEING IN FRONT OF THE WORLD, BEING CALLED — >>THIS WORLD TODAY WITH THESE LUCRATIVE BOOK DEALS AND MOVIES THAT COME ABOUT, I THINK YOU’LL BE PRETTY GOOD IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS.>>YOU SAID YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN?>>THAT’S CORRECT. IN 2011.>>YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>I CERTAINLY DID, SIR.>>THAT’S NEWS.>>SHOULD TRUMP RUN.COM.>>WOW. >>2011. IT WAS MY IDEA. I SAW A DOCUMENT IN A NEWSPAPER THAT SAID WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR IN 2012? 6% SAID — >>MICHAEL COHEN — THE REASON DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT IS — >>I SAID TO HIM, MR. TRUMP, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. HE SAID WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. AND WITH THAT IS WHERE IT ALL STARTED. I’M SURE HE HAD NEVER THOUGHT –>>I DIDN’T SAY THAT HE — >>I GOT EIGHT SECONDS. WHAT DID YOU TALK TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT?>>I SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT TOPICS THAT WERE GOING TO BE RAISED AT THE UPCOMING HEARING. >>WHOA. NOT TIME TO SHOW UP. ACTUALLY WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE IS SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE A LIAR AND THAT YOU’RE LYING HERE TODAY. I CAN’T THINK OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO GAIN AT THIS POINT FROM LYING. THEY TALK ABOUT BOOK DEALS AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT I SEE A LOT MORE THAT YOU COULD LOSE BY TELLING THE TRUTH TODAY GIVEN THE THREATS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. SO THAT’S HOW I’M INTERPRETERING IT AND OF COURSE YOU BROUGHT DOCUMENTS WITH YOU AS WELL TO BOLSTER THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR TESTIMONY. I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO AN EARLIER LINE OF QUESTIONING REGARDING THE PREPARATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE YOU CAME BEFORE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. YOU TALKED ABOUT A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHERE THE TESTIMONY WAS BEING REVIEWED AND I THINK YOU SAID THAT IT WAS AT LEAST ONE WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY JAY SEKULOW WHO WAS THERE AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WERE SOME EDITS THAT WERE MADE TO YOUR TESTIMONY. SO ON THAT TOPIC, WHO AT THE WHITE HOUSE REVIEWED YOUR TESTIMONY?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THE DOCUMENT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED BY MYSELF ALONG WITH MY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME. AND IT WAS A JOINT DEFENSE AGREEMENT. SO THE DOCUMENT CIRCULATED AROUND. I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY ABBY LOLL WHO REPRESENTS JARED AND IVANKA.>>WHY DID YOU PROVIDE THE TESTIMONY TO THE WHITE HOUSE?>>IT WAS PURSUANT TO THE JOINT DEFENSE AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE ALL OPERATING UNDER. >>WHAT WERE THE EDIT THAT IS CAME BACK ON THE TESTIMONY?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR. I’D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT.>>DID YOU HAVE A — DO YOU HAVE A REACTION TO WHY THERE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A PROTEST TO WHAT WAS GOING TO BE FALSE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GOING TO BE PROVIDED?>>NO, SIR. BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO STAY ON MESSAGE. JUST LIMIT THE RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER WITH RUSSIA, IT WAS SHORT, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN DEALS. THAT’S THE MESSAGE. THAT’S THE SAME MESSAGE THAT EXISTED WELL BEFORE MY NEED TO COME AND TESTIFY. >>SO IT’S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS IDEA, THIS MENTALITY OF YOU TOW THE LINE, WHATEVER THE STORY LINE OR THE NARRATIVE OF THE DAY OR THE MONTH OR THE YEAR IS GOING TO BE. YOU TOW THAT LINE WHETHER IT RESULTS IN FALSE TESTIMONY OR NOT?>>I TOWED THE PARTY LINE AND I’M NOW SUFFERING AND I’M GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUFFER FOR A WHILE ALONG WITH MY FAMILY AS A RESULT OF IT, SO, YES.>>LET ME SWITCH GEARS QUICKLY BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES. YOU’RE OFFERING US SOME VERY HELPFUL PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THE TRUMP WORLD OPERATORS AND ANOTHER REASON I FIND YOUR TESTIMONY FAIRLY COMPELLING AND CREDIBLE IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU’RE DESCRIBING IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ALL SEE EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO IT’S NOT A LEAP FOR US TO ARRIVE IN THE SAME PLACE OF PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU PRESENTED. I’M INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES AROUND THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THE INAUGURATION OF THE PRESIDENT. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN A WATCHDOG GROUP ABOUT SOME NEGOTIATION OF PRICING OF THINGS AT THE TRUMP HOTEL WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THE RENTAL THAT WAS BEING QUOTED WAS SUBSTANTIALLY, EVEN DOUBLE, WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO PAY, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE MARKET SHOULD BEAR. AND SO IN A SENSE, THE TRUMP HOTEL WAS UP CHARGING — >>EVEN I COULDN’T AFFORD TO STAY THERE. >>DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THAT KIND OF A PRACTICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THAT KIND OF UPCHARGING COULD BE DONE INSIDE A TRUMP OPERATION?>>IT DID HAPPEN.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME IS EXPIRED. >>ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU IS I WASN’T PART OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. I RAISED A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE INAUGURATION. BUT I WAS NOT PART OF IT AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS IN THAT ACTUAL — THAT ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT’S ALSO OBVIOUSLY WE’VE READ ABOUT IN THE PAPER BEING INVESTIGATED AT THE CURRENT MOMENT. >>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, IT’S ON MY HEART TO TELL YOU, I’M SORRY FOR WHAT YOUR FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH. I FEEL FOR YOUR FAMILY. THE WORD TELLS US CLEAR THAT THE MAN’S MOUTH IS HIS DESTRUCTION AND I SEE YOU A MAN TRAPPED IN THAT. HOWEVER I MUST TELL YOU THAT I’VE ARRESTED SEVERAL THOUSAND MEN AND YOU REMIND ME OF MANY OF THEM, THE ONES THAT IMMEDIATELY BECOME HUMBLE AND REMORSEFUL AT THIS TIME THAT THEY’RE BOOKED AND WHILE THEY’RE INCARCERATED, AND RETURN TO THEIR FORMER SELVES WHEN THEY’RE BACK ON THE STREET. SO I’M RESPECTFUL TO YOUR FAMILY, I OWE YOU THE HONESTY TO TELL YOU THAT THAT’S MY SENSE OF YOU GOOD SIR. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND WHAT YOU BRUSHED OFF EARLIER REGARDING YOUR OWN STATEMENT DURING THIS TESTIMONY FROM C-SPAN NOTATION AT TWO HOURS AND 50 SECONDS IN, YOU STATED REGARDING YOUR CREDIBILITY THAT YOU’RE BEING CONFUSED OF HAVING NO CREDIBILITY, THAT IT’S FOR THAT REASON, I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. NOW THE DOCUMENTS YOU’RE REFERRING TO, MR. COHEN, ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SUBMITTED IN YOUR — WITH YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO BE WORTHY OF EVIDENCE. >>I LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO DECIDE. >>AND I ASK YOU AGAIN, SIR, THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION, WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES THAT CONTAIN DOCUMENTS WORTHY OF EVIDENCE TO BE PRESENTED TO CONGRESS AND WHY HAVE THEY NOT BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE MANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT YOU’RE ALLEGEDLY COOPERATING IN? WHERE ARE THESE BOXES? WHO KNOWS — WHERE IS THIS TREASURE OF EVIDENCE?>>THE BOXES THAT I’M REFERRING TO WERE BOXES THAT WERE IN MY LAW OFFICE WHEN THE FBI ENTERED AND SEIZED DOCUMENTS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I — AUTHORITIES HAVE NOTED WHAT THE GENTLEMAN HAD JUST STATED. AND THAT ACTIONS BE TAKEN FOR THOSE BOXES TO BE SEIZED AND REVIEWED BASED UPON PROPER WARRANT SIGNED BY A SITTING JUDGE. YOU NOTED EARLIER TODAY, MR. COHEN, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED YOU REGARDING THE TELEVISION DEAL, YOU EXPRESS WONDERMENT THAT YOUR PREDICAMENT COULD POSSIBLY GET YOU ON TELEVISION. IT CERTAINLY GOT YOU ON TELEVISION TODAY, AS IT NOT, SIR?>>I WAS ON TELEVISION KEPTING MR. TRUMP GOING BACK INTO 2011. >>I DIDN’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL TODAY, REALLY, UNTIL THE FBI RAIDED YOUR HOME. MOST OF AMERICA DIDN’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE. HOW MANY ATTORNEYS DO YOU THINK MR. TRUMP HAS HAD THROUGH THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER? QUITE A FEW I WOULD IMAGINE. YOU’RE ONE THAT’S IN THE TRAP RIGHT NOW. I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT. YOU’RE IN A BIND. BUT I ASK YOU, GOOD SIR, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED FILM AND BOOK DEALS WITH YOUR STATED CURRENT ATTORNEY MR. DAVIS?>>WITH MR. DAVIS, NO. BUT I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO DO BOOK DEALS, MOVIE DEALS — >>IT LEADS ME BACK TO MY INSTINCT THAT COMPARES YOU TO MANY OF THE MEN THAT I’VE ARRESTED DURING THE COURSE OF MY CAREER. MR. CHAIRMAN — >>WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR — >>OUR PRIMARY HEARING TO INTRODUCE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, 116th CONGRESS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HAS MANIFESTED IN THE WAY THAT IT OBVIOUSLY IS — THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INJURE OUR PRESIDENT, LAY SOME SOFT CORNER STONE FOR FUTURE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. I YIELD MY 30 SECONDS TO THE RANKING MEMBER. >>THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS NOT ACCURATE IN THAT STATEMENT?>>I’M SORRY. >>EARLIER YOU SAID THAT THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEY’S OFFICE, THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE, YOU SAID IT’S NOT A LIE, IT’S NOT ACCURATE.>>YES. I DID NOT WANT A ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. >>THE COURT IS WRONG?>>CAN I FINISH, PLEASE?>>SURE. >>I GOT EXACTLY THE ROLE THAT I WANTED. THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. I ASKED MR. TRUMP FOR THAT JOB AND HE GAVE IT TO ME. >>ALL I’M ASKING, I APPRECIATE MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU’RE SAYING THAT STATEMENT FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEYS IS WRONG?>>I’M SAYING I DIDN’T WRITE IT AND IT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OF COURSE WAS THE DUMP OF E-MAILS STOLEN FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, DUMPED BY WIKILEAKS. DURING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT, WHICH WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF THE ELECTION YOU TESTIFIED YOU WERE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP IN JULY 2016 WHEN ROGER STONE HAPPENED TO CALL AND TELL MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKE TO JULIAN ASSANGE, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>AND YOU SAID MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. TRUMP ABOUT AN UPCOMING, QUOTE, MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. SO I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ROGER STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT. WAS THAT ON SPEAKERPHONE?>>YES. MR. TRUMP HAS A BLACK SPEAKERPHONE THAT SITS ON HIS DESK. HE USES IT QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE WITH ALL THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS HE GETS — >>IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, 2019, THE “NEW YORK TIMES” ASKED PRESIDENT TRUMP IF HE EVER SPOKE TO ROGER STONE ABOUT THESE STOLEN E-MAILS, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ANSWERED, AND I QUOTE, NO I DIDN’T, I NEVER DID. WAS THAT STATEMENT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TRUE?>>NO. IT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>AND CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR US TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, YOU WERE PRESENT, EXACTLY WHAT MR. STONE SAID TO MR. TRUMP. >>IT WAS A SHORT CONVERSATION. AND HE SAID, MR. TRUMP, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND IN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE’S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT’S GOING TO SEVERELY HURT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN. >>WAS MR. TRUMP AND MR. STONE AWARE OF WHERE THOSE E-MAILS CAME FROM?>>THAT I’M NOT AWARE OF.>>DID MR. TRUMP EVER SUGGEST THEN OR LATER TO CALL THE FBI TO REPORT THIS BREACH?>>HE NEVER EXPRESSED THAT TO ME. >>DID THE PRESIDENT AT THAT TIME OR EVER SINCE IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE INDICATE AN AWARENESS THAT THIS CONDUCT WAS WRONG?>>NO.>>THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE ON JULY 22nd, ON THE EVE OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, WIKILEAKS PUBLISHED AS YOU KNOW THE 20,000 LEAKED INTENTIONAL DNC E-MAILS. COULD YOU MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT DATE?>>YES.>>SO MR. TRUMP WAS AWARE OF THE UPCOMING DUMP BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?>>YES.>>AND IS THERE — >>THOUGH, SIR, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER HE KNEW OR NOT, WHAT THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THE DUMP WAS GOING TO BE. ONLY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS. >>AND HE WAS AWARE OF THAT BEFORE THE DUMP OCCURRED, CORRECT?>>YES, SIR. >>ARE THERE ANY RECORDS THAT WOULD CORROBORATE THE DAY OF THIS MEETING, CALENDARS, PERHAPS?>>I’M NOT IN POSSESSION, BUT I BELIEVE, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THEY PROBABLY BEST SUITED TO CORROBORATE THAT INFORMATION. >>WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM DURING THE CALL?>>I DON’T RECALL FOR THIS ONE, NO, SIR. >>IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THE COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS E-MAIL DUMP?>>WELL, AGAIN WHEN HE CALLED, ROW IN A GRAPH CALLED OUT, ROGER IS ON LINE ONE. >>AND THAT’S HIS ASSENT?>>YES.>>AND DURING A NEWS CONFERENCE, CANDIDATE TRUMP APPEAL TODAY RUSSIA TO HACK HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS AND MAKE THEM PUBLIC. HE STATED AND I QUOTE RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, I HOPE YOU’RE ABLE TO FIND THE 30,000 E-MAILS THAT ARE MISSING. GOING BACK TO MR. STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT, DO YOU RECALL IF MR. TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS DUMP AT THE TIME OF HIS DIRECT APPEAL TO RUSSIA?>>I AM NOT.>>BUT THE CALL WITH MR. STONE YOU BELIEVE WAS BEFORE — >>YES.>>THIS — >>YES. I’M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT SET OF DOCUMENTS THAT GOT DUMPED. I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE IT WAS EITHER JULY 18th OR 19th, AND, YES, HE WENT AHEAD — I DON’T KNOW IF THE 30,000 E-MAILS WAS WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO, BUT HE CERTAINLY HAD KNOWLEDGE. >>THANK YOU. JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. YOU’VE BEEN ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN YOUR ANSWERS WAS THAT MR. PECKER EXPENDED OTHER MONIES TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES WERE?>>SURE. THERE WAS THE STORY ABOUT MR. TRUMP HAVING A LOVE CHILD WITH AN EMPLOYEE — WITH AN EMPLOYEE AND ACTUALLY THE HUSBAND OF THAT EMPLOYEE WORKS FOR THE COMPANY AS WELL. AND THERE WAS A ELEVATOR OPERATOR WHO CLAIMS THAT HE OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION TAKING PLACE BETWEEN ONE OF MR. TRUMP’S OTHER EXECUTIVES AND SOMEBODY AND HE ENDED UP PAYING HIM $15,000 IN ORDER TO BUY THAT STORY TO FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS TRUE OR NOT. AND THAT’S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT DAVID HAD DONE OVER THE — THE REASON WHY IN THE RECORDING WHEN DAVID WAS LOOKING TO BECOME THE CEO OF “TIME” MAGAZINE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT — WE’LL CALL IT THE TREASURE-TROVE OF DOCUMENTS THAT HAS BEEN CREATED OVER THE YEARS, THAT IF HE LEFT, SOMEBODY COULD OPEN UP A DRAWER AND FIND ALL THIS INFORMATION. WE WERE GOING TO LOOK TO BUY ALL THOSE LIFE RIGHTS AND SO ON. >>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>THANK YOU FOR TESTIFYING. I JOIN CONGRESSMAN HIGENS IN FEELING FOR YOUR FAMILY. THEY HAVE NO PART IN THIS. I’VE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND I’M TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT CLAY IS TRYING TO DECIDE. ARE YOU SORRY FOR WHAT YOU DID OR YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT. AND THE THING THAT AMAZED ME IS THAT IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT WHICH LET ME QUOTE, LAST FALL I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF AT THE DIRECTION OF AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE. WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT?>>YES, SIR. >>OKAY. YOUR CRIMES WERE OF YOUR OWN TO BENEFIT YOURSELF.>>SOME OF THEM, YES.>>GO THROUGH ALL THE ONES WITH THE REAL ESTATE, WITH THE BANKS, ON YOUR LOAN, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE, MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN DEBT. YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE 70,000 IN MONTHLY PAYMENTS. ON YOUR 14 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT YOU HAD DRAWN ON THAT. SO THIS WAS ALL FOR YOURSELF, THIS FAST FOR THE BENEFIT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS WAS TO BENEFIT MICHAEL COHEN. THAT’S MY QUESTION, DID YOU JUST GET CAUGHT AND YOU WORKED FOR THIS MAN FOR TEN YEARS, MR. COHEN. YOU CAME IN HERE WITH THESE — WITH THESE — HE’S A CON MAN, HE’S A CHEAT. THIS IS A VERY MAN THAT DID YOU WIRETAPPING ILLEGALLY? DID YOU NOT WIRETAP PRESIDENT TRUMP WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE?>>I DID RECORD MR. TRUMP IN A CONVERSATION, YES. >>IS THAT LAWYER CLIENT PRIVILEGE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AN HONEST LAWYER WOULD DO?>>I ACTUALLY NEVER THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND THAT THAT RECORDING EVEN EXISTED. I HAD FORGOTTEN. >>BUT YOU DID IT. >>YES, I DID>>HAVE YOU EVER — >>I HAD A REASON FOR DOING IT. >>WHAT WAS YOUR REASON. >>BECAUSE I KNEW HE WASN’T GOING TO PAY THAT MONEY AND DAVID PECKER HAD ALREADY CHEWED ME OUT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS REGARDING OTHER MONIES THAT HE EXPENDED. >>BUT THIS IS A MAN THAT YOU TRUSTED, YOU’D TAKE A BULLET FOR, YOU SECRETLY RECORDED. HAVE YOU LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY RECORDED OTHER CLIENTS?>>I HAVE RECORDINGS OF PEOPLE, YES.>>LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY. >>I BELIEVE THAT THEY’RE LEGAL.>>DID YOU TELL THEM?>>IN NEW YORK STATE YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO THAT. >>SO YOU DIDN’T TELL THEM?>>NO, I DID NOT. SOMETIMES I USED THE RECORDINGS FOR NOTE TAKING INSTEAD OF WRITING IT DOWN. >>IF THE SHOE WERE RESERVED, WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR TRUSTED LAWYER RECORDING YOU?>>I PROBABLY WOULD NOT, NO.>>IT’S UNTRUTH WORTHY. IT’S SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD NOT DO. YOUR BANK LOANS THAT I RAN DOWN, DID YOU EVER DEFAULT ON MY OF THESE LOANS. >>NO, SIR>>SO THE BANK DID NOT TAKE ANY LOSS. >>I AM NO IN DEFAULT. I NEVER FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY. THE LOAN YOU’RE REFERRING TORKS I REPLACED THAT FROM A DIFFERENT LOAN. I OWE NO BANKS ANY MONEY. >>HOW ABOUT YOUR MEDALLION, DID YOU HAVE TO SELL THAT?>>THE ONES IN CHICAGO, YES, I DO HAVE TO SELL. HOWEVER, NEW YORK, THE ANSWER IS, NO, I DON’T AND THEY ARE — THE INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR, MAJOR CORRECTION BECAUSE OF RIDE-SHARING. IT’S CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS. >>THE VALUE OF IT HAS. >>YES, SIR.>>WOULD THE MAKES MANGE YOU A LOAN AGAIN — >>ACTUALLY, THEY DID. THEY DID. YES. THE BANK ACTUALLY REDID AND THEY REFINANCED THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. >>CURRENTLY. I DIDN’T GET THE BENEFIT OF IT, NO, SIR. >>MOST LIKELY THEY DID. I WAS — >>THEY MAY HAVE DONE THAT, SIR. BUT THAT’S FOR THEIR OWN BANKING, NOT FOR ME. >>IT’S BY LAW. IF THEY SUSPECT YOU OF LYING, WHICH YOU ADMITTED TO, IF THEY SUSPECT YOU OF MAYBE NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A LOAN PAYMENT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOAN LOSS RESERVE THAT 125% OF WHAT YOU — IS 20 MILLION, THEY HAVE TO POST IN THEIR ACCOUNT, 20 MILLION PLUS. THEY GET NO INTEREST ON. YOU KNOW WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHO DEALS WITH THAT BANK. >>I’M NOT IN DEFAULT AND I’M CURRENT ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEDALLION LOANS. AT THE TIME THAT I HAD THE HELOCK I HAD MORE CASH SITTING IN THAT BANK — >>HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO PRAGUE.>>I’VE NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE. >>NEVER HAVE. >>I’VE NEVER BEEN TO THE CZECH REPUBLIC. >>I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND THANK YOU MR. COHEN. ON PAGE FIVE OF YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAID AND I QUOTE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS. WHO WERE THOSE ATTORNEYS?>>FROM THE WHITE HOUSE?>>YES. >>JAY SEKULOW, I BELIEVE ABBY LOLL AS WELL. >>DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT?>>I COULD TRY TO DO THAT FOR YOU. >>THE LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE MOSCOW TOWER WAS IN THE FALL OF 2015, CORRECT?>>CORRECT. >>WAS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT LETTER OF INTENT. >>THERE WAS NO EXPIRATION DATE.>>IT COULD STILL BE IN EFFECT TODAY. >>IT’S BEEN TERMINATED.>>DID MR. TRUMP TELL YOU TO OFFER VLADIMIR PUTIN A FREE PENTHOUSE?>>NO, MA’AM. THAT WAS FELIX SAIDER. IT WAS A MARKETING STUNT THAT HE SPOKE ABOUT.>>SO FELIX SAIDER HAD SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT MR. TRUMP OFFER A PENTHOUSE TO MR. PUTIN?>>YES. BECAUSE IT WOULD DRIVE UP THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, NO DIFFERENT IN ANY CONDO WHERE THEY START LISTING CELEBRITIES THAT LIVE IN THE PROPERTY. >>IN 2016 DID YOU TRAVEL TO EUROPE?>>YES.>>DID YOU MEET WITH PERSONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT?>>NO.>>IT WAS FOR PERSONAL — >>PERSONAL. MY DAUGHTER WAS STUDYING IN LONDON. >>SO YOU DID NOT MEET WITH ANY RUSSIANS?>>NO.>>THERE IS AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED AS A CATCH AND KILL PRODUCT. IT WAS EVIDENTLY OF MR. TRUMP AND A WOMAN, PRESUMABLY MRS. TRUMP, IS THAT CORRECT?>>ARE WE TALKED ABOUT IN MOSCOW OR IN THE TRUMP TOWER ELEVATOR TAPE?>>THERE’S AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION IN 2016, IS THAT CORRECT. >>I’VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. >>WHO WAS ON THAT TAPE. >>IT’S MR. TRUMP WITH MELANIA. >>AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT TAPE?>>THE STORY GOES THAT HE STRUCK MELANIA WHILE IN THAT ELEVATOR BECAUSE THERE’S A CAMERA INSIDE WHICH I’M NOT SO SURE — ACTUALLY, I’M CERTAIN IT’S NOT TRUE. I’VE HEARD ABOUT THAT TAPE FOR YEARS. I’VE KNOWN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE INCLUDING FOLKS FROM AMI WHO HAVE — >>BUT THERE WAS SOME TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION. >>I DON’T BELIEVE THAT AUCTION WAS REAL AND I DON’T BELIEVE MR. TRUMP EVER STRUCK MRS. TRUMP EVER. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYONE PURCHASING THAT TAPE, THEN. >>I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER PURCHASED.>>YOU NEVER SAW THIS TAPE?>>NO, MA’AM. AND I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WENT TO TRY TO GO PURCHASE IT FOR CASH AND KILL PURPOSE, IT DOESN’T EXIST. IN MY OPINION, THAT’S NOT SOMETHING — >>GOOD TO KNOW. IS THERE A LOVE CHILD. >>THERE IS NOT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. >>SO YOU WOULD PAY OFF SOMEONE TO NOT — >>IT WASN’T ME. IT WAS AMI. IT WAS DAVID PECKER. >>HE PAID OFF SOMEONE ABOUT A LOVE CHILD THAT DOESN’T EXIST?>>CORRECT IT WAS ABOUT $15,000.>>OKAY. HOW MANY TIMES DID MR. TRUMP ASK YOU TO THREATEN AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY ON HIS BEHALF?>>QUITE A FEW TIMES. >>50 TIMES?>>MORE. >>100 TIMES?>>MORE. >>200 TIMES. >>MORE. >>500 TIMES?>>PROBABLY. OVER THE TEN YEARS. >>OVER THE TEN YEARS — >>WHEN YOU SAY THREATEN, I’M TALKING ABOUT WITH LITIGATION OR AN ARGUMENT WITH — >>INTIMIDATION?>>A NASTY REPORTER THAT HAS — IS WRITING AN ARTICLE.>>WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT — LET’S GO TO YOUR TAPE. SHE SAID THERE’S PROBABLY A HUNDRED TAPES. >>VOICE RECORDINGS. >>VOICE RECORDINGS. WILL YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE. >>IF YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE THEM.>>DID MR. TRUMP — >>DON’T YOU HAVE TO GAVEL THAT, SIR. >>WE WOULD.>>SORRY. >>DID MR. TRUMP TAPE ANY CONVERSATIONS?>>NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF, NO.>>WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE $25 MILLION SETTLEMENT TO TRUMP UNIVERSITY?>>I HAD A ROLE IN THAT, YES. >>WHO GAVE THE SETTLEMENT?>>I BELIEVE MR. TRUMP. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. >>YOU DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER BUT YOU WERE INVOLVED?>>IN SOME ASPECT. >>THERE IS SOME REFERENCE TO A BUSINESSMAN FROM KANSAS BEING INVOLVED WITH THAT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT?>>IN MY 13 SECONDS LEFT, I’M SORRY FOR THE PAIN I’VE CAUSED THEM, I’M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING, AND I WISH I COULD GO BACK IN TIME.>>THE YOUNG LADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, BEFORE WE GO TO, SO YOU CAN PROPERLY PLAN, THERE IS A VOTE APPARENTLY COMING UP IN ABOUT TEN TO 20 MINUTES, AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL RECESS, AND WE WILL COME BACK, LISTEN UP, 30 MINUTES AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. GOT THAT? NOT WHEN IT ENDS. 30 MINUTES AFTER IT BEGINS. AND WE’LL DO THAT PROMPTLY. ALL RIGHT, MS. MILLER.>>I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HAVE YOU IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE TODAY. QUITE FRANKLY, THIS ISN’T THE REASON THE PEOPLE OF WEST VIRGINIA SENT ME TO CONGRESS. I FIND THIS HEARING NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS IS ANOTHER POLITICAL GAME WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT. IF IT WAS NOT ALREADY OBVIOUS, THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE WITH THE SINGULAR GOAL IN CONGRESS TO IMPEACH PRESIDENT TRUMP. TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, THEY WILL WASTE NOT ONLY PRECIOUS TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT ALSO TIME IN THIS COMMITTEE AND CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. IN FACT, THEY WILL GO SO FAR AS TO BRING A CONVICTED FELON IN FRONT OF OUR COMMITTEE. WE ARE SUPPOSED TAKE WHAT YOU SAY, MR. COHEN, AT THIS TIME, ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP, AS THE TRUTH. BUT YOU’RE ABOUT TO GO TO PRISON FOR LYING. HOW CAN WE BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY? THE ANSWER IS WE CAN’T. THIS BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY ARE THOSE IN THE MAJORITY HOLDING THIS HEARING? I AM APPALLED. WE COULD BE FOCUSED ON ACTUAL ISSUES THAT ARE FACING AMERICA. LIKE BORDER SECURITY. NEONATAL ABSTINENCE SYNDROME OR IMPROVING OUR NATION’S CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE. INSTEAD, THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GRASP AT STRAWS. LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS WITNESS. FROM HIS SENTENCING HEARING, IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, JUDGE PAULY STATED, MR. COHEN PLED GUILTY TO A VERITABLE SMORGASBORD OF FRAUDULENT CONDUCT, WILLFUL TAX EVASION, MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, AND MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO CONGRESS. EACH OF THE CRIMES INVOLVED DECEPTION AND EACH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. THIS IS WHO WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IN OUR COMMITTEE. SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT TO BE SENT TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS FOR EVADING HIS TAXES, DECEIVING A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, LYING TO CONGRESS, AMONG OTHER COUNTS. ONE OF THE MOST APPALLING FACTS ABOUT THIS HEARING IS THAT MR. COHEN HAS USED HIS EXPERIENCES WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER HE WAS ELECTED, FOR HIS OWN GREED AND PROFIT. I’D LIKE SOME YES OR NO ANSWERS. ISN’T IT TRUE YOU TRIED TO SELL A BOOK ABOUT YOUR TIME WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ENTITLED “TRUMP REVOLUTION, FROM THE TOWER TO THE WHITE HOUSE, UNDERSTANDING DONALD J TRUMP”. >>YES, THAT HAPPENED EARLY ON WHEN I WAS STILL EVEN PART I BELIEVE OF THE RNC.>>AND THIS BOOK DEAL, WHICH YOU HAD WITH HATCHET BOOKS, WAS WORTH AROUND $500,000, ISN’T THAT CORRECT?>>NO, MORE, MA’AM.>>HOW MUCH MORE?>>I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 750.>>WOW. MR. COHEN –>>I DID TURN IT DOWN.>>GIVEN THAT YOU CONTINUE TO PROFIT FROM PUBLICLY DISCUSSING YOUR TIME WITH MR. TRUMP, I WORRY THAT THIS COMMITTEE HEARING, THE MAJORITY, HAS GIVEN YOU WILL ONLY SERVE AS A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO LIE, AND SENSATIONALIZE AND EXAGGERATE WHEREVER IT SUITS YOU. DO YOU PLAN TO PURSUE ANOTHER BOOK DEAL ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES?>>YES.>>I WOULD PRESUME THIS BOOK WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR LATEST PITCH, BUT YOUR NEW ANGLE MIGHT PLEASE SOME NEW FANS. ANYTHING TO SELL BOOKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE’VE CANCELED HEARINGS ON CHILD SEPARATION AND ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE CLOSE TO MY HEART, FOR THIS MEDIA CIRCUS. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY FOR A MAN WHO HAS GLADLY EXPLOITED THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT TO PROMOTE HIS OWN NAME, AND FILL HIS OWN POCKETS, IT PAINS ME THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE ADDING ANOTHER CHAPTER TO HIS BOOK. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. JORDAN.>>THANK YOU, GENTLE LADY. EARLIER, MR. COHEN, THE GENTLE LADY FROM CALIFORNIA TALKED ABOUT THIS TAPE.>>I’M SORRY, I CAN’T HEAR YOU. >>EARL EVER, THE GENTLE LADY FROM CALIFORNIA TALKED ABOUT THIS ELEVATOR TAPE THAT DOES NOT EXIST. >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE TRUMP TEAM WAS WILLING TO PAY TO MAKE SURE A STORY ABOUT A NONEXISTENT TAPE NEVER BECAME PUBLIC?>>NO, SIR, THAT’S NOT WHAT I CENTIGRADE THEY WERE WILLING TO STOP A FALSE TAPE?>>WE LOOKED, WE LEARNED THAT THIS TAPE WAS POTENTIALLY ON THE MARKET, THAN IT EXISTED, AND SO WHAT WE DID IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH ALL OF THE OTHER CATCH AND KILL, WE LOOKED FOR IT, AND IF IN FACT, THAT IT DID EXIST, WE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO STOP IT. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE. I HAVE NEVER HEARD IT, AND I CAN ASHIRE YOU ONE THING ABOUT MR. TRUMP, MANY THINGS HE WOULD NEVER, EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON’T SEE IT. >>MR. COHEN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE 130,000 DOLLARS PAYMENT YOU MADE TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD, THE ADULT FILM ACTRESS KNOWN AS STORMY DANIEL, IN ORDER TO PURCHASE HER SILENCE, SHORTLY BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTIONS. FIRST, ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTS FILED BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, YOU CREATED A SHELL COMPANY CALLED ESSENTIAL CONSULTANTS LLC. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>AND YOU CREATED THIS COMPANY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING A PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFRLD, IS THAT CORRECT?>>AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YES. >>YOU DID USE A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO FUND THE ACCOUNT, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU THEN WIRED $130,000 TO THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MS. CLIFFORD AT THAT TIME, AND WROTE IN THE MEMO FIELD FOR THE WORD, QUOTE, RETAINER, IS THAT CORRECT?>>CORRECT. >>CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU DECIDED TO USE THIS COMPLICATED PROCESS TO MAKE THIS PAYMENT?>>WELL, STARTING AN LLC IS NOT A SOPHISTICATED MEANS. YOU CALL UP A COMPANY, YOU PAY FOR, IT AND THEY OPEN IT FOR YOU. AND THE REASON THAT I USED THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT AS OPPOSED TO CASH TA THAT I HAD IN THE SAME EXACT BANK IS I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BECAUSE SHE HANDLES ALL OF THE BANKING. AND I DIDN’T WANT HER COMING TO ME AND ASKING ME WHAT WAS THE $130,000 FOR. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO THE OTHER, AND TO PAY IT OFF, BECAUSE I DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO HER WHAT THAT PAYMENT WAS ABOUT. I SENT IT TO THE IOLA ACCOUNT, THE INTEREST ON LAWYERS ACCOUNT TO KEITH DAVIS, CALIFORNIA, MS. DANIEL’S ATTORNEY. HE WOULD HOLD IT IN ESCROW UNTIL SUCH TIME AS I RECEIVED THE EXECUTED NDA. NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. >>DID MR. TRUMP KNOW YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, TO HIDE THE PAYMENT?>>YES.>>WHY NOT JUST USE MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL OR COMPANY BANK ACCOUNT TO MAKE THE PAYMENT? WHY WAS THE DISTRACTION SO IMPORTANT, BESIDE YOU NOT WANTING YOUR WIFE TO KNOW. >>WHAT HIS CONCERN WAS THERE WOULD BE A CHECK THAT IT WOULD HAVE HIS DISTINCT SIGNATURE AND AFTER YOU CASH A CHECK ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE A PHOTO COPY AND PROOF POSITIVE ON EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE SO HERE THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP HIM FAR AWAY FROM IT AS POSSIBLE. >>CAN ANYONE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU HAVE SHARED WITH US?>>ABSOLUTELY.>>AND THAT IS?>>KEITH DAVIDSON, ALLEN WEISSELBERG, PRESIDENT TRUMP.>>NOW, LET’S TALK ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT, ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, AND I QUOTE, AFTER THE ELECTION, COHEN SOUGHT REIMBURSEMENT FOR ELECTION-RELATED EXPENSE, INCLUDING THE 130,000 DOLLARS PAYMENT. PROSECUTORS STATED THAT YOU, AND I QUOTE, PRESENTED AN EXECUTIVE OF THE COMPANY, WITH A COPY OF A BANK STATEMENT REFLECTING THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER. IS THAT ACCURATE?>>THAT IS ACCURATE.>>DO YOU STILL HAVE A COPY OF THAT BANK STATEMENT?>>YES, IT’S ACTUALLY MADE PART OF THE EXHIBIT.>>SO YOU WILL PROVIDE IT TO THE COMMITTEE?>>YES, MA’AM. >>ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, EXECUTIVES AT THE COMPANY THEN, AND I QUOTE, AGREED TO REIMBURSE COHEN BY ADDING $130,000 AND 50,000 GROSSING UP THAT AMOUNT TORE 360,000 FOR TAX PURPOSES, AND ADDING A 60,000 DOLLARS BONUS SUCH THAT COHEN WOULD BE PAID $420,000 IN TOTAL. EXECUTIVES OF THE COMPANY DECIDED TO PAY THE 420,000 IN MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS OF 35,000 OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. IS THAT ACCURATE?>>THAT IS ACCURATE.>>WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF GROSSING UP THE AMOUNTS OF ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING WHAT YOU HAD PAID TO MS. CLIFFORD AND OTHERS?>>BECAUSE IF YOU PAY 130,000 DOLLARS, AND YOU LIVE IN NEW YORK, WE HAVE A 50% TAX BRACKET, AND IN ORDER TO GET YOUR 130 BACK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 260, OTHERWISE IF HE GAVE ME BACK 130, I WOULD ONLY THEN, I WOULD BE OUT 65,000.>>WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF SPREADING THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOU OVER THE 12 MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS?>>THAT WAS IN ORDER TO HIDE WHAT THE PAYMENT WAS. I OBVIOUSLY WANTED THE MONEY IN ONE SHOT, I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED IT THAT WAY, BUT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT ON TO THE BOOKS, ALLEN WEISSELBERG MADE THE DECISION THAT IT SHOULD BE PAID OVER THE 12 MONTHS SO THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A RETAINER.>>AND DID MR. TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THIS REIMBURSEMENT METHOD?>>HE KNEW ABOUT EVERYTHING, YES. >>THANK YOU MR. COHEN. SO THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY KNEW ABOUT THE PAYMENTS, HE KNEW AND HELPED TO HIDE THE PAYMENTS AND THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOU?>>WE DISCUSSED IT. EVERYTHING HAD TO GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP AND IT HAD TO BE APPROVED BY MR. TRUMP.>>AND NOW, YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON –>>AND I’M GOING TO PRISON, YES, MA’AM. >>I YIELD BACK. >>IF I MAY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YES, I YIELD MY TIME.>>EARLIER, YOU HAD SAID, I’M ASSUMING NEW YORK’S ONE PARTY CONSENT STATE, ONE PERSON CAN RECORD THE OTHER ONE WITHOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL. >>CORRECT. >>BUT YOU ALSO WERE A MEMBER OF THE NEW YORK BAR?>>I WAS, YES.>>HOW WOULD YOU RATE RECORDING CLIENTS IN THE ETHICAL REALM OF BEING A LAWYER?>>I WOULD SAY IT’S NOT ILLEGAL, AND –>>I’M NOT ASKING IF IT IS ILLEGAL. I’M ASKING IF IT IS ETHICAL. >>I DON’T KNOW. WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THAT TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION. >>I THINK EVERY OTHER LAWYER IN HERE KNOWS WHERE IT IS IN THE ETHICAL STANDARD. WHEN YOU SAID THERE WERE 100 TAPES, WERE ANY OF THOSE TAPES OF OTHER CLIENTS?>>YES. >>AND I THINK THIS IS PRETTY AMAZING. I REALLY DO. DID ANY OF THEM WAIVE PRIVILEGE?>>NO.>>SO FIVE MINUTES AGO, IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR HEARING ON OVERSIGHT, YOU JUST IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED THAT YOU WOULD HAND OVER TAPES, TO THIS COMMITTEE, WITHOUT ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS CLIENTS WAIVING PRIVILEGE?>>I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN POSSESSION OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE IN THE MANDS OF ALL OF THE –>>WHOEVER ELSE IS IN CHARGE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IS NOT MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS I KNOW LAWYERS THAT WOULD GO TO JAIL, BEFORE THEY WOULD VIOLATE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN A MATTER OF A SECOND, YOU JUST SAID ABSOLUTELY, I WILL TURN THOSE OVER. >>JUST TRYING TO COOPERATE, SIR.>>AT THE EXPENSE OF CLIENTS WHO HAVE NEVER WAVED PRIVILEGE.>>THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE HANDS SIR OF ALL OF THE AGENCIES, AS I DIDN’T ASK PEOPLE TO –>>WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DETERMINES TO DO SOMETHING AND WHAT YOU DETERMINE TO DO IS SOMETHING, AND THE CLIENTS PRIVILEGE AND ATTORNEY TRUST ACCOUNTS ARE ABOUT THE TWO MOST SACRED THINGS YOU CAN EVER DO IN YOUR ENTIRE CAREER AS A LAWYER AND IN A MATTER OF A SECOND, AND THE MR. TRUMP — >>THE REASON IT IS OUT THERE IS BECAUSE RUDY GIULIANI WAIVED THE PRIVILEGE. >>I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI. I’M TALKING ABOUT YOU. I DON’T KNOW WHO IS ON THOSE TAPES. ONLY YOU KNOW IS ON THE TAPES. THERE IS 100 OF THEM. >>THE OTHER ONE IS SUBJECT TO ONGOING –>>MY POINT IS IN A MATTER OF A SECOND, ONE SECOND, YOU TOOK NO, ABSOLUTELY NO CALCULATION OF YOUR ROLE, AS THOSE CLIENTS COUNSELOR, THE ROLE THAT PLAYS, IN PRIVACY, AND IN THE ROLE THAT PLAYS IN THE PASSING OF THE BAR, WHEN YOU SIGNED ON THE BAR AND UNTIL RECENTLY WERE A MEMBER OF THE BAR AND YOU IMMEDIATELY SAID, IF IT HELPS ME OUT IN TWO DAYS IN FRONT OF TV, YES, ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN HAVE THEM. AND I THINK, AND THAT JUST GOES INTO WHAT WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT BRIEFLY. WE TALK ABOUT THESE TAX, THESE INDICTMENTS ON TAX FRAUD, AND BANK FRAUD, AS IF THEY ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS. BUT THEY’RE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF BAD JUDGMENT. THESE WERE INTRICATE ELABORATE LIES THAT CREATED, THAT NEEDED TO BE HELD WITH CONSTANT, I MEAN JUST CONSTANT DECEPTIONS OF BANKS, BUSINESSES, ASSOCIATES, ACCOUNTANTS, POTENTIALLY YOUR FAMILY. YOU RECEIVED OVER 2.4 MILLION IN PERSONAL LOANS FROM TAXI COMPANY, TAXI MEDALLION COMPANY ONE AND THOSE WERE LOAN PAYMENT FORCE A BUSINESS LOAN, CORRECT?>>NO, SIR.>>YOU WEREN’T RECEIVING — GO AHEAD. >>THOSE WERE PAYMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WAS OPERATING THE MEDALLIONS. >>TO YOU?>>TO ME.>>AND THOSE WERE DEPOSITED INTO YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT, OR IN SOME INSTANCES YOUR WIFE’S ACCOUNT?>>IT WAS DEPOSITED INTO THE JOINT CHECKING ACCOUNT OF MY WIFE AND I, THAT’S LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE RESIDE IN. >>AND WERE THOSE DISCLOSED ON YOUR TAX RETURNS?>>THEY ARE NOT, THEY WERE NOT DISCLOSED ON MY TAX RETURNS.>>AND IN FACT, WHEN YOUR ACCOUNTANT TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THOSE, THOSE DEPOSIT, YOU TOLD HIM YOU WOULDN’T PAY FOR A MEMO THAT YOU DIDN’T ASK TO BE DONE?>>THAT’S INACCURATE.>>THAT’S INACCURATE. >>SO THE SENTENCING COURT IN NEW YORK HAS IT WRONG?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT MR. GETZEL WROTE, MY ACCOUNTANT, THERE ARE A SERIES OF ISSUES REGARDING HIS MEMO ANYWAY, INCLUDING THE FACT HE’S ALMOST DIRECTING ME IN AN EARLIER MEMO TO COMMIT FRAUD. BUT PUTTING ALL THAT ASIDE, WITH JEFF GETZEL THE ANSWER TO THAT IS I PLED GUILTY, ALL RIGHT? AND I MADE MY MISTAKE. AND I’M GOING, AS I’VE SAID 100 TIMES NOW, I’M NOT SO SURE WHY THE SINGULAR ATTACK ON MY TAXES, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THEM, I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW THEM TO YOU. BUT EVERY SINGLE –>>IF YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES, I HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.>>I WILL RECLAIM MY TIME. >>IT IS NOT 100% ANYTHING, AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE CREDIBILITY, WHY I ASK MR. DAVIS, MR. MONACO, TO PLEASE, LET’S FIGURE OUT HOW TO –>>THAT’S MY POINT WITH THE CREDIBILITY. SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF ATTACK. THESE WERE CONSTANT DECEPTIONS, WHETHER IT IS ROLLING OVER A $20 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT TO A $14 MILLION CREDIT, YOU WENT THROUGH GREAT LENGTHS TO CONCEAL THAT FROM ONE BANK, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, YOU ARE REDUCING YOUR NET INCOME TO ANOTHER BANK. THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 1, OF 18, JANUARY 1 OF 17, JANUARY 1 OF 15, THESE WERE THINGS THAT WERE CONSTANTLY INVOLVED. AND MY QUESTION WAS, WAS IT EX HAUFRTING KEEPING TRACK OF ALL OF THE — EXHAUSTING KEEPING TRACK OF ALL OF THE LIES YOU WERE TELLING PEOPLE?>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME IS UP. >>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THE GENTLEMAN’S QUESTION. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR ROAD TO REDEMPTION. >>THANK YOU. IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG WAY. >>AND THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS PERDITION, I REMEMBER AND THAT IS PARTICULARLY WELL ON YOUR CHILDREN AND I WISH YOU WELL AND I WISH YOUR FAMILY WELL. MR. COHEN, AS YOU DESCRIBED YOUR ROAD TO HERE, MR. COOPER ASKED YOU WHEN IS THE MOMENT YOU DECIDED YOU NEEDED A CHANGE, IT STRIKES ME THERE IS A TRANSITION YOU HAVE ILLUMINATED HERE. THE PERIOD OF TIME, TEN YEARS, WORKING FOR SOMEBODY YOU ADMIRED AS A DEVELOPER AND WHEN CHARLOTTESVILLE HAPPENED AND QUITE FRANKLY WHEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL CALLED YOU IN, OBVIOUSLY, WAS A KEY PART OF IT, OR YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE. BUT THE IN BETWEEN PART I FIND REALLY INTERESTING AND TROUBLING. AT LEAST IN TERMS OF APPEARANCES. AND CONFIDENCE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IN THIS INSTITUTION, AND DEMOCRACY, QUITE FRANKLY. SO DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT TWO SPECIFIC, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME, FIRST, THE TRUMP TOWER, SO YOU WERE NEGOTIATING FOR THIS, AS YOU SAID, IT WAS TO BE THE TALLEST BUILDING IN EUROPE, AND IN YOUR GUILTY PLEA WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, YOU QUOTE, SAY, IT QUOTE, COHEN ASKED INDIVIDUAL ONE, IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP?>>YES.>>ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP TRAVELING TO RUSSIA IN CONNECTION WITH THE MOSCOW PROJECT AND ASKED A SENIOR CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL ABOUT POTENTIAL BUSINESS TRAVEL TO RUSSIA. WHEN DID THIS CONVERSATION HAPPEN, DO YOU RECALL?>>EARLY ON IN THE CAMPAIGN.>>AND WHO WAS THE CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL?>>COREY LEWANDOWSKI. >>WHAT DID YOU DISCUSS IN THIS MEETING?>>THE POSSIBILITY OF WHICH DATES THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD HAVE AVAILABILITY, IF IN FACT, THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OVER TO RUSSIA, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE FIRST PRONG OF WHAT I NEEDED, WHICH WAS OWNERSHIP OR CONTROL OVER A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND UNTIL SUCH TIME, THERE WAS NO REASON TO COME UP WITH A DATE, BUT WHEN I FIRST RECEIVED THE INFORMATION REQUEST TO GO TO RUSSIA, WHAT I DECIDED TO DO IS I SPOKE TO MR. TRUMP ABOUT IT, HE TOLD ME TO SPEAK TO COREY AND SEE WHAT DATES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, IF I GOT THE INFORMATION I NEEDED.>>SO IT STOPPED BECAUSE OF APPEARANCES OR DID IT STOP BECAUSE THE PARTIES DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE IT?>>I’M SO SORRY, I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. >>WHY DID THE PURSUIT OF THE TRUMP TOWER THAT MR. TRUMP HAS SAID OF COURSE HE PURSUED IT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE GOING BACK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, WHY WAS THE REASON THAT THE DEAL STOPPED?>>BECAUSE HE WON THE PRESIDENCY. >>SO IN THAT INTERIM PERIOD OF TIME, YOU MUST ADMIT IT LOOKS TROUBLING THAT NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT FOREIGN INFLUENCE WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO, WHETHER THERE WAS COLLUSION OR NOT, IT CERTAINLY APPEARS TROUBLING THAT YOU, MR. TRUMP WAS PART OF THIS NEGOTIATION, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE KNOW, PERHAPS SEPARATELY, THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE ENGAGED IN OUR ELECTION.>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING ENGAGED IN THE ELECTION. I CAN ONLY TALK FOR MYSELF. HERE I WOULD SAY TO MR. TRUMP, IN RESPONSE TO HIS QUESTION, WHAT’S GOING ON WITH RUSSIA, IS I’M STILL WAITING FOR DOCUMENTS, AND THEN THAT NIGHT AT A RALLY, WE TURN AROUND AND DO HIS BATTLE CRY OF NO RUSSIA, NO COLLUSION, NO INVOLVEMENT, WITCH HUNT.>>OKAY, ON A SEPARATE SUBJECT, BUT SOMEWHAT RELATED, ON JANUARY 17 OF THIS YEAR, “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” PUBLISHED A STORY STATING THAT YOU HIRED JOHN GAGER, THE OWNER OF A CONSULTING COMPANY WHO WORKS FOR LIBERTY UNIVERSITY IN VIRGINIA TO RIG AT LEAST TWO ONLINE POLLS RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP. DID YOU HIRE HIM?>>THOSE WERE BACK IN I BELIEVE 2015.>>2014.>>2014. >>2014. SO YOU DID HIRE HIM?>>YES I SPOKE TO MR. GARGER ABOUT MANIPULATING THESE ONLINE POLLS.>>AND DID HE USE BOTS TO MANIPULATE THE POLL?>>HE USED ALGORITHMS AND IF THAT INCLUDES BOTS, THEN THE ANSWER IS YES. >>YES, THAT’S CORRECT. >>DID THE PRESIDENT HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT?>>YES. >>IN DIRECTING YOU TO DO THIS?>>YES. >>WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE POLL?>>EXACTLY WHERE WE WANTED THEM TO BE THE AT THE CNBC POLL, WE CAME IN AT NUMBER NINE. AND THE DRUDGE REPORT, HE WAS TOP OF THE DRUDGE REPORT AS WELL. THE POLL.>>AND THE CBS POLL WAS CALLED THE CONTENDERS AND THE TOP 250 PEOPLE THAT THEY NAMED, AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE TOP TEN MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE. >>LET ME FINISH, EARLIER TODAY, YOU DIRECTED A COMMENT TO MY COLLEAGUES, AND I’M QUOTING, SO CORRECT ME IF I GOT THIS WRONG, YOU SAID THE MORE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW MR. TRUMP, THE MORE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE WHERE I AM. IS IT YOUR EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL END UP WHERE YOU ARE?>>SADLY, IF THEY FOLLOW BLINDLY LIKE I HAVE, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.>>THANK YOU.>>TIME IS EXPIRED.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHEN I RAN FOR CONGRESS, I TALKED ABOUT HOW WASHINGTON WAS BROKEN. BUT I CERTAINLY DID NOT EXPECT THE LEVEL OF POLITICAL GAMEMANSHIP, PARTISANSHIP AND SHEAR STAGNATION OF POLICIES THAT IMPROVE THE LIVES OF AMERICANS THAT I’M WITNESSING TODAY. IT IS QUESTIONING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS ZERO PROBATIVE VALUE AND ZERO CREDIBILITY INSTEAD OF SPENDING OUR LIMITED TIME FOCUSING ON IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS, CREATING JOBS, OR STREAMLINING THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YET HERE WE ARE, TAKING TESTIMONY FROM A CONVICTED LIAR, AND NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS JUST LIED TO HIS CLIENTS OR FAMILY AND FRIENDS BUT TESTIMONY FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DELIBERATELY AND PREMEDITATE IVELY LIED TO THIS BODY, CONGRESS THROUGH WRITTEN STATEMENTS AND THROUGH HIS TESTIMONY AND AMP FIGHTED HIS FALSE STATEMENTS BY RELEASING AND REPEATING HIS LIES TO THE PUBLIC INCLUDING THE OTHER POTENTIAL WITNESSES. YET NOW, WE NOW ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO BELIEVE MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY. I DON’T KNOW A JUROR IN AMERICA THAT WOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING MR. COHEN SAYS GIVEN HIS PAST ACTIONS AND LIES. MR. COHEN, YOU STOOD BEFORE MULTIPLE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES BEFORE TODAY, AND RAISED YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWORE AN OATH TO BE HONEST, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>AND YOU LIED TO THOSE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES, IS THAT CORRECT?>>PREVIOUSLY. >>CORRECT. >>YES. >>YOU STATED THAT TRUMP NEVER DIRECTED TO YOU LIE TO CONGRESS, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>THEREFORE YOU LIED TO CONGRESS ON YOUR OWN ACCORD AND THEN ADMITTED TO LYING TO CONGRESS, CORRECT?>>I HAVE ALREADY STATED MY PIECE ON THAT. I KNEW WHAT HE WANTED ME TO DO. I WAS STAYING ON PARTY LINE.>>BUT HE NEVER DIRECTED YOU TO LIE TO CONGRESS?>>HE DID NOT USE THOSE WORD, NO. >>IN YOUR EVIDENCE THAT YOU PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE A MERE TWO HOURS BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED, WERE PAYMENTS MADE TO YOU BY MR. TRUMP, CORRECT?>>AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YES. >>YET OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT THOSE SPECIFIC PAYMENTS WERE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PURPOSES, IS THAT CORRECT?>>IT’S MY TESTIMONY THAT THE CHECK THAT I PRODUCED, AS PART OF THIS TESTIMONY, THE 35,000, AND THEN THE SECOND CHECK, THAT’S SIGNED BY ALLEN WEISSELBERG, AND DON TRUMP JR., WERE TWO CHECKS OUT OF THE 11 THAT WERE MEANT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. >>SO IN YOUR TESTIMONY, ON PAGE 13, YOU CLAIM, AND I QUOTE, MR. TRUMP DIRECT THEED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL 23U7B8DS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF RIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACKED TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF THIS DIRECTION?>>JUST THE PAYMENT SIR.>>SO NO E-MAIL?>>MR. TRUMP DOESN’T HAVE E-MAIL. >>SO NO RECORDING?>>I DO NOT HAVE RECORDINGS, NO.>>NO TEXT MESSAGE?>>MR. TRUMP DOESN’T TEXT MESSAGE. >>SO NO DIRECTION OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY THAT THAT’S WHAT THE PAYMENT WAS FOR?>>AND THE FACT THAT I PAID ON HIS BEHALF, AT HIS DIRECTION, THE MONEY TO KEITH DAVIDSON’S IOLA ACCOUNT, YOU’RE RIGHT, THERE IS NO OTHER DOCUMENTATION I HAVE. >>SO NOTHING THAT YOU PRODUCE AS PART OF YOUR EXHIBITS PROVE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECT THE YOU IN ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT?>>. >>I DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT, SIR.>>WELL, IT’S PRETTY SIMPLE. >>THERE IS NOTHING IN THE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS OF THE EXHIBITS THAT YOU PROVIDED TODAY, THAT SHOW THAT TRUMP DIRECTED YOU TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS.>>OTHER THAN THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SEIZED BY GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES, AND IS WIDELY SHOWN, I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT BELIEVES THAT I JUST DECIDED TO PAY $130,000 ON HIS BEHALF. >>YOU WERE HIS ATTORNEY FOR OVER TEN YEARS. >>THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT I WOULD PAY 130,000 DOLLARS –>>IT ALSO HE WASN’T PAYING YOU FOR REPRESENTATION OF COUNSEL.>>SO HOW DID PRESIDENT TRUMP EVEN KNOW YOU HAD A HELOC?>>I’M SO SORRY, SIR. >>HOW DID PRESIDENT TRUMP EVEN KNOW YOU HAD A HELOC?>>BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT. BECAUSE I TOLD HIM THE SAME THING THAT I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. AND AS ONE ADDITIONAL, RUDY GIULIANI HIMSELF CAME OUT, AND EXPRESSED THAT MR. TRUMP REIMBURSED ME FOR THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT TO PAY STORMY DANIELS.>>AND DID YOU TELL CHRIS CUOMO THAT YOU HAD NO ACCESS TO MR. TRUMP DURING OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2016?>>I’M SORRY, I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO. >>YOUR INTERVIEW WITH CHRIS CUOMO. >>I WOULD NEED TO SEE THE DOCUMENT.>>DID YOU ALSO TELL CHRIS CUOMO THAT YOU MADE THESE PAYMENTS WOUL TELLING MR. TRUMP BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP.>>AND I WAS PROTECTING MR. TRUMP. >>AND YOU TOLD HIM YOU MADE THESE PAYMENTS WITHOUT TELLING HIM. >>IF THAT’S WHAT I SAID TO CHRIS CUOMO, YES, THAT WAS MY LINE.>>AND IF THIS UNSUPPORTED CLAIM WAS TRUE, THEN IT WOULD BE PART OF AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AS EVIDENCE OF A CRIME, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD NOT LET YOU DISCUSS IT DURING YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>TIME IS EXPIRED. ANSWER. >>YES,I DID WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING. NOT ONLY DID I LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I LIED TO THE FIRST LADY. WHEN THE PRESIDENT CALLED ME AND I WAS SITTING IN A CAR WITH A FRIEND OF MINE, AND HE HAD ME SPEAK TO HER, AND EXPLAIN TO THE FIRST LADY, SO THE ANSWER IS YOU’RE NOT, YOU’RE NOT ACCURATE, AND I DON’T FEEL GOOD ABOUT ANY OF THIS, AND THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION.>>MS. LAWRENCE. >>THEIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD, AS BEING A BLACK AMERICAN, AND HAVING ENDURED THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OF RACISM FROM THE SITTING PRESIDENT, AS BEING A BLACK PERSON, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT’S BEING SAID IN PRIVATE. AND TO PROP UP ONE MEMBER OF OUR ENTIRE RACE, OF BLACK PEOPLE, AND SAY THAT THAT NULLIFIES THAT, IS TOTALLY INSULTING, AND IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, OF EXPECTING A PRESIDENT TO BE INCLUSIVE, AND TO LOOK AT HIS ADMINISTRATION, SPEAKS VOLUMES. SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS INTIMIDATION OF WITNESS. MR. COHEN YOU WERE INITIALLY SCHEDULED TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY 7 BUT YOUR LEGAL TEAM DELAYED YOUR TESTIMONY, QUOTING, ONGOING THREATS AGAINST YOUR FAMILY, FROM THE PRESIDENT, AND ATTORNEY GIULIANI. IS THAT CORRECT?>>YES, MA’AM. >>AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 29, AFTER YOU ADMITTED THAT THE PRESIDENT’S NEGOTIATIONS OVER A REAL ESTATE PROJECT, IN RUSSIA, CONTINUE WELL THROUGH THE SUMMER, BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED YOU, QUOTE, A WEAK PERSON, AND ACCUSED YOU OF LYING, AND THEN ON DECEMBER 16, 2018, AFTER YOU DISCLOSED THAT IT WAS THE PRESIDENT WHO DIRECTED YOU TO ARRANGE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS, AND KAREN McDOUGAL, TO CONCEAL HIS EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIRS HE CALLED YOU, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, A RAT. MR. COHEN, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE OR FEEL THAT THE PRESIDENT IS REPEATEDLY ATTACKING YOU, YOU ARE STATING YOU FEEL INTIMIDATED ASKING US TO PROTECT YOU FOLLOWING YOUR COOPERATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. >>WHEN YOU HAVE ACCESS OF 60 MILLION PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW YOU ON SOERND, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, WITHIN WHICH TO SPARK SOME ACTION BY INDIVIDUALS THAT FOLLOW, THAT FOLLOW HIM, AND FOR HIS OWN WORDS THAT HE CAN WALK DOWN FIFTH AVENUE, SHOOT SOMEONE, AND GET AWAY WITH IT, IT’S NEVER COMFORTABLE WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES –>>WHAT DO YOU THINK HE CAN DO TO YOU?>>A LOT. AND IT’S NOT JUST HIM. IT’S THOSE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HIM AND HIS RHETORIC. >>WHAT IS A LOT?>>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T WALK WITH MY WIFE, AND GO TO A RESTAURANT, OR GO SOMEWHERE, I DON’T WALK WITH MY CHILDREN, I MAKE THEM GO BEFORE ME, BECAUSE I HAVE FEAR. AND IT’S THE SAME FEAR THAT I HAD BEFORE, WHEN HE INITIALLY DECIDED TO DROP THAT TWEET, IN MY CELL PHONE, I RECEIVED SOME, AND I’M SURE YOU’LL UNDERSTAND, I RECEIVED SOME TWEETS, I RECEIVED SOME FACEBOOK MESSENGER, ALL SORTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS UPON ME, WHETHER IT’S A PRIVATE DIRECT MESSAGE THAT I HAD TO TURN OVER TO SECRET SERVICE, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST VIAL, DISGUSTING STATEMENTS THAT ANYONE COULD EVER RECEIVE, AND WHEN IT STARTS TO AFFECT YOUR CHILDREN, THAT’S WHEN IT REALLY AFFECTS YOU.>>ON JANUARY 20th, 2019, MR. GIULIANI CALLED YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW, QUOTE, A CRIMINAL, AND SAID THAT HE MAY HAVE TIES TO ORGANIZED CRIME. MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT AND MR. GIULIANI PUBLICLY TARGETED YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW AS AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE YOU? CAN YOU ELABORATE, WHY IS YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW BEING PULLED INTO THIS?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS IN THE CLOTHING BUSINESS. CAME TO THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY WERE IN 1972, 73, THE EXPULSION OF JEWS FROM THE UKRAINE, CAME HERE TO THIS COUNTRY, WORKED HARD AND HE IS NOW ENJOYING HIS RETIREMENT. NEVER IN MY LIFE DID I THINK THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD DO SOMETHING SO DISGRACEFUL, AND HE’S ATTACKING HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS I CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY, AND TO HURT ME, HE IS TRYING TO HURT THEM. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MY FAERNLT’S FATHER-IN-LAW’S BIGGEST INVESTMENT HAPPEN TO BE IN A TRUMP PROPERTY, SO IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.>>I WARRANT TO BE CLEAR, ANY EFFORT, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ANY EFFORTS TO PREVENT A WITNESS FROM TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS IS AGAINST THE LAW. I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THAT, AND AS THE CHAIRMAN HAS SAID, RETALIATING AGAINST WITNESS, AND THREATENING THEIR FAMILIES, AND MEMBERS, IS A TEXTBOOK MOB TACTIC, THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR THIS COUNTRY AND I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD, THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT, IT’S ABOUT THE OVAL OFFICE THAT WE TAKE AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES, AND TO MEET THE LAWS AND THE POLICIES OF THIS COUNTRY, TO SERVE. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD BACK.>>MR. ROY. >>MR. COHEN, I TOO WANT TO OFFER MY HART FAELT THOUGHTS FOR YOUR FAMILY AND WHAT THEY’RE GOING THROUGH. I KNOW IT IS TOUGH AND FOR YOUR TIME HERE TODAY. I KNOW IT IS TOUGH FOR YOU TO STAND HERE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE. THE CHAIRMAN SUGGESTED YOU VOLUNTEERED TO COME HERE. YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO COME HERE. IS THAT CORRECT YOU WERE ASKED TO COME HERE, YES OR NO. >>YES. >>THE COMBINED TOTAL OF CRIMES WHICH YOU WERE SENTENCED WOULD BRING A MACK MUM 70 YEARS, YES OR NO. >>YES. >>AND YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS YES OR NO. >>YES. >>THE PROSECUTORS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAY THE LOANS FALSELY UNDER ESTIMATED THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT HE HAD AND A BANK LENDED ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. AND NOT PARSING DIFFERENT STATUTE, ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, YES OR NO?>>YES, I PLED GUILTY. >>YOU SAID CLEARLY TO MR. CLOUD AND MR. JORDAN THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK LAWYERERS WERE BEING UNTRUTHFUL IN CHARACTERIZING YOUR DESIRE TO WORK IN THE ADMINISTRATION. DO YOU SAY THE LAWYERS ARE BEING UNTRUTHFUL IN MAKING THAT CHARACTERIZATION, YES OR NO?>>I AM SAYING THAT IS NOT INACCURATE. >>YOU’RE SAYING THEY’RE BEING UNTRUTHFUL. >>I’M SAYING THAT IS NOT TRUTHFUL. I DID NOT WANT A TITLE OR ROLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION. >>I’M SURE THE LAWYERS OF THE SDNY APPRECIATE THAT DISTINCTION. YOU TESTIFIED YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE OR THE CZECH REPUBLIC. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT STATEMENT?>>YES. >>I HAVE AN ARTICLE IN MOTHER JONES BY DAVID CORN IN WHICH HE SAYS HE RUE VIEWED HIS NOTES FROM MR. COHEN, THAT HE SAYS I HAVEN’T BEEN TO PRAGUE 14 YEARS AGO, WAYS IN PRAGUE ONE AFTERNOON 14 YEARS AGO. YOU OFFERED TO THE COMMITTEE TAPED INFORMATION REGARDING CLIENTS WITHOUT THE BAT OF AN EYE. >>YOU SAID IT SO FAT. >>YOU AS MY FRIEND MR. ARMSTRONG, OFFERED TO THIS COMMITTEE, OFFERED TAPED INFORMATION WITHOUT THE BAT OF AN EYE. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT OFFER?>>IF THE CHAIRMAN ASKS ME, I WILL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND IT’S NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE, YES, I WILL TURN IT OVER. >>YOU HAVE MISLED THIS COMMITTEE IN A WRITTEN SUBMISSION THAT CONTRADICTED YOUR ATTORNEY. YOU SUGGESTED YOU ARE GOING TO REVIEW IT. ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW IT IN THE NEXT BREAK TO CORRECT THE RECORD?>>YES. >>YOU HELPED OUT THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN OR WERE INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN AS A REPRESENTATIVE, AS A SPOKESMAN, IN YOUR WORDS TODAY, IT WAS YOUR IDEA FOR THE CAMPAIGN DATING BACK TO 2011, IS THAT CORRECT, YES OR NO. >>YES. >>2011 IS THE YEAR THAT STICKS IN MY HEAD. THE YEAR MY DAUGHTER WAS BORN AND THE YEAR I WAS ZYGED WITH CANCER. I WAS NOT PUSHING FOR DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT. I WAS FIGHTING CANCER. EVEN IN 2016 I WAS PUBLICLY BACKING A CERTAIN REPUBLICAN FROM TEXAS. YOU MIGHT GUESS WHO IT WAS. BUT YOU, YOU WERE ALL IN. YOU EITHER WANTED DONALD TRUMP TO BE YOUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY OR YOU DID IT FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL ADVANCEMENT OR BOTH. SORT OF THE TWO OPTIONS. REAL AMERICANS IN MY DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WANTED THE PRESIDENT TO BE PRESIDENT, NOT IN ANY WAY BECAUSE HE’S PERFECT, BUT RATHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS HELL HOLE. THEY SUPPORTED THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE GAMES THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE TODAY. THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF POLITICIANS WHO REFUSE TO SECURE THE BORDER. BALANCE OUR BUDGET. >>>RESTORE HEALTH CARE FREEDOM AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THEIR WAY SO THEY CAN LEAD THEIR LIFE. THEY ARE MYSTIFIED THAT WE AMASS ABOUT $100 MILLION IN DEBT PER HOUR WHICH MEANS WE HAVE BLOWN THROUGH $300, 400, $450 MILLION DURING THIS CHARADE. IN AMASSING DEBT. $450 MILLION. SICK AND TIRED OF A DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT HAS CARTEL ASYLUM CRISIS ON OUR BORDER THAT ENDANGERS AMERICAN CITIZENS. IN EAGLE PASS TEXAS YESTERDAY, AN MS-13 GANG MEMBER WAS ARRESTED. AND McCALLEN TEXAS, AN AWARD WAS OFFERED FOR A MAN INVOLVED IN AN MEXICAN CARTEL AND HOME INVASIONS IN SOUTH TEXAS. A MASS HUNTER AND MIGRANT RUSH AT THE TEXAS BORDER, FORCED PREFER CLOSURE OF THE LAREDO PORT. THIS IS THIS WEEK. THIS IS WHAT WE’RE IGNORING. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE’RE DOING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WHILE WE ENGAGE IN THIS CHARADE. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR OUR COUNTRY. I TALKED TO MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE BACK IN TEXAS JUST BEFORE THE HEARING, I SAID DON’T BOTHER, I SAID DON’T BOTHER WATCHING. SHE SAID, AS I ROUGHLY EXPECTED, DON’T WORRY, I WON’T. I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. AND SHE, LIKE THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HAVE A HELL OF A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN WATCH THIS. I SAID AMEN, DARLING. I CAN’T HELP BUST THINK THAT’S WHAT THE, HELP BUT THINK THAT’S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THINKING WHILE WATCHING THIS UNBELIEVABLE CIRCUS. I YIELD BACK.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I’VE GOT A LOT TO DO AS WELL. I’VE GOT HOUSES AND SCHOOLS TO HELP REBUILD IN THE VIRGIN ISLANDS. EXPANSION OF VOTING RIGHTS. EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. THANK GOD THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE’RE HERE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW. MR. COHEN, YOU LEARNED WELL, IN THE TEN YEARS THAT YOU WORKED WITH DONALD TRUMP, WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION WITH THE GOP IN THE UP TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO?>>I WAS VICE CHAIR OF THE RNC FINANCE COMMITTEE. >>YOU WERE VICE CHAIR OF THE FINANCE OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, RIGHT?>>CORRECT. I DO WANT TO SAY I WAS A DEMOCRAT UNTIL STEVE WYNN FOUND OUT I WAS A DEMOCRAT AND MADE ME SWITCH PARTIES AND SAID IT WASN’T RIGHT FOR DEMOCRAT TO BE THE VICE CHAIR. >>GOOD. LET’S GET TO IT. I ONLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. ON BEHALF OF THE MANY MEMBERS HERE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED TO YOUR FAMILY OUR APOLOGIES TO YOUR FAMILY, BUT I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS AND TWEETS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS BODY, AND AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, AND AS FORMER COUNSEL, ON HOUSE ETHICS, I THINK THAT AT THE VERY LEAST THERE SHOULD BE A REFERRAL TO THE ETHICS COMMITTEE OF WITNESS INTIMIDATION, TAMPERING, UNDER USC 15 IS, OF MY COLLEAGUE MATT GATES, AND IT MAY BE POSSIBLY HIM BEING REFERRED FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. SO I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. ON MAY 2, 2018, THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO WAS HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY LIKE YOU AP APPEARED ON FOX NEWS AND REFERRED TO THE PRESIDENT’S REIMBURSEMENT TO YOU FOR THE 130,000 PAYMENT FOR STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AS PART OF A RETAINER AND ON MAY 3, 2018, ONE DAY AFTER MR. GIULIANI’S APPEARANCE, THE PRESIDENT TWEET AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN, AN ATTORNEY, REFERRED A MONTHLY RETAINER NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN, AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN, FROM WHICH HE ENTERED INTO, THROUGH REIMBURSEMENT, A PRIVATE CONTRACT, BETWEEN TWO PARTIES, KNOWN AS A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT, OR NDA. THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS, WHICH IS THE AGENCY WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OVER WHAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO REPORT PUBLICLY, ABOUT HIS ASSETS, WAS PUZZLED BY THIS, IT SEEMS AND THEY WERE SKEPTICAL THAT A RETAINER WAS ACTUALLY IN PLACE AND ASKED TO SEE THE RETAINER AGREEMENT ON CALL, OF MAY 8 WITH THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL COUNSEL SHERRY DILLON REPLIED THAT SHE WOULD AND I QUOTE NOT PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE OF PRIVILEGE. MS. DILLON WANT ALLOW STAFF TO COME TO HER OFFICE TO REVIEW THE RETAINER AGREEMENT. MR. COEN IN A COURT FILING MADE IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS STATE THE IN QUOTE, IN TRUTH AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER AGREEMENT. MR. COHEN, DID YOU EVER HAVE A RETAINER AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE PRESIDENT FOR THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD?>>NO.>>SO WAS MR. GIULIANI’S STATEMENT INACCURATE?>>YES.>>WAS MS. DILLON’S STATEMENT ABOUT THE RETAINER AGREEMENT INACCURATE. >>STATEMENT –>>IS IT INACCURATE?>>HER STATEMENT IS WHAT?>>HER STATEMENT WAS QUOTE, NOT TO PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS PRIVILEGED.>>THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT. >>AND IS THE PRESIDENT’S TWEET OR HIS STATEMENT ACCURATE?>>I’M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. >>HIS TAINMENT, MR. COHEN, AN ATTORNEY REFERRED A MONTHLY RETAINER, NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN, FROM WHICH HE ENTERED INTO THROUGH A REIMBURSEMENT. >>THAT’S NOT ACCURATE.>>YOU MENTIONED SOME INDIVIDUALS TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM NEW YORK, MS. CONLEY, AND ALSO IN YOUR TESTIMONY, ABOUT MR. WISENBERG AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS, MS. RONA, WHO ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS? ARE THEY WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. >>THEY ARE. >>ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH?>>ALLEN WEISSELBERG IS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.>>YOU GOT TO QUICKLY GIVE US AS MANY NAMES AS YOU CAN SO WE CAN GET TO THEM. >>YES, MA’AM.>>IS MS. RONA, WHAT IS –>>RONA GRAPH IS THE, MR. TRUMP’S EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT.>>AND WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO CORROBORATE MANY OF STATEMENTS YOU MADE HERE?>>HER OFFICE WAS DIRECTLY NEXT TO HIS AND SHE’S INVOLVED IN A LOT THAT WENT ON.>>AND MR. COHEN, WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS IN 2018, DID THEY REACH OUT TO YOU TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS?>>NO, MA’AM. >>>>AND DID YOU SHARE WITH THEM OTHERWISE IN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION?>>I DO NOT RECALL, NO. >>CAN THE COMMITTEE OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE FACTS BY OBTAINING TESTIMONY, DOCUMENTS, FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, AND THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEYS?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING WITH. AND I YIELD BACK AT THIS TIME.>>THE COMMITTEE WILL NOW STAND IN RECESS, AGAIN, WE WILL COME BACK, LISTEN UP, 35 MINUTES. 35 MINUTES, AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. SO FOR MR. COHEN, MR. COHEN, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO.>>>THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT AND REFORM COMMITTEE TAKING A BREAK HERE. IT WILL PROBABLY BE AN HOUR OR SO. THERE IS A SERIES OF VOTES ON THE HOUSE FLOOR, A SERIES OF FOUR VOTES, AND YOU CAN FOLLOW THAT OVER ON C-SPAN, WE WILL RESUME WITH LIVE COVERAGE WHEN THE COMMITTEE GAVELS BACK IN, WHICH AGAIN SHOULD BE ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO. THEY’VE BEEN IN SESSION FOR FOUR AND A HALF HOURS, MICHAEL COHEN TESTIFYING, ON THE 2016 CAMPAIGN, AND HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. IT’S THE SECOND OF THREE HEARINGS THIS WEEK WITH MICHAEL COHEN, AS OUR CAPITOL HILL PRODUCER CRAIG CAPLAN POINTS OUT, HE HAS TESTIFIED YESTERDAY, IN FRONT OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, AND TOMORROW, BEHIND CLOSED DOOR, BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, ON THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. AGAIN, WE WILL BE BACK WITH LIVE COVERAGE ONCE THE COMMITTEE GAVELS BACK IN, AND UNTIL THEN, WE WILL SHOW YOU THE OPENING THIS MORNING OF THE QUESTIONS, THE Q&A, THE QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES STARTING WITH THE CHAIRMAN, CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS. >>>IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND I WILL BEGIN TO SWEAR YOU IN. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. AND THANK YOU, AND YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE MICROPHONES ARE SENSITIVE, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THEM. WITHOUT OBJECTION, YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. WITH THAT, MR. COHEN, YOU ARE NOW RECOGNIZED TO GIVE AN ORAL PRESENTATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY. IS YOUR MIKE ON?>>YES. CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. I HAVE ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT MY FAMILY BE PROTECTED FROM PRESIDENTIAL THREATS, AND THAT THE COMMITTEE BE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I AM HERE UNDER OATH TO CORRECT THE RECORD, TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS TRUTHFULLY, AND TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY DOUBT AND ATTACK ME ON MY CREDIBILITY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT I HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS OPENING STATEMENT, DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IRREFUTABLE, AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE INFORMATION YOU WILL HEAR IS ACCURATE AND TRUTHFUL. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I IMAGINE WHEN I ACCEPTED A JOB IN 2007, TO WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP, THAT HE WOULD ONE DAY RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY. TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN ON A PLATFORM OF HATE AND INTOLERANCE. AND ACTIVELY WIN. I REGRET THE DAY I SAID YES TO MR. TRUMP. I REGRET ALL OF THE HELP AND SUPPORT I GAVE HIM ALONG THE WAY. I AM ASHAMED OF MY OWN FAILINGS AND PUBLICLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM BY PLEADING GUILTY IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I AM ASHAMED OF MY WEAKNESS AND MY MISPLACED LOYALTY, OF THE THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP, IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE HIM. I AM ASHAMED THAT I CHOSE TO TAKE PART IN CONCEALING MR. TRUMP’S ILLICIT ACTS RATHER THAN LISTENING TO MY OWN CONSCIENCE. I AM ASHAMED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MR. TRUMP IS. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CON MAN. AND HE IS A CHEAT. HE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO KNEW THAT ROGER STONE WAS TALKING WITH JULIAN ASSANGE ABOUT A WIKILEAKS DROP ON DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE E-MAILS. I WILL EXPLAIN EACH IN A FEW MOMENTS. I AM PROVIDING THE COMMITTEE TODAY WITH SEVERAL DOCUMENTS. AND THESE INCLUDE A COPY OF THE CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT, AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT, TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STORE AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. COPIES OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012, AND 2013, THAT HE GAVE TO SUCH INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS DEUTSCHE BANK, A COPY OF AN ARTICLE WITH MR. TRUMP’S HANDWRITING ON IT, THAT REPORTED ON THE AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF HIMSELF, THAT HE ARRANGED FOR THE BIDDER AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEN REIMBURSED THE BIDDER FROM THE ACCOUNT OF HIS NONPROFIT CHARITABLE FOUNDATION, WITH THE PICTURE NOW HANGING IN ONE OF HIS COUNTRY CLUBS. AND KOIRPS OF LETTERS, COPIES OF LETTERS I WROTE AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION, THAT THREATENED HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGES, AND THE COLLEGE BOARD, NOT TO RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. I HOPE MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY, MY GUILTY PLEA, AND MY WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, ARE STEPS ALONG A PATH OF REDEMPTION THAT WILL RESTORE FAITH IN ME AND HELP THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND OUR PRESIDENT BETTER. AND BEFORE GOING FURTHER, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH MEMBER, TO THE U.S. CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. THE LAST TIME I APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS, I CAME TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. TODAY, I AM HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. IN CONVERSATIONS WE HAD DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AT THE SAME TIME I WAS ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA FOR HIM, HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE EYE, AND TELL ME, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN BUSINESS, AND THEN GO ON TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BY SAYING THE SAME THING. IN HIS WAY, HE WAS TELLING ME TO LIE. THERE WERE AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN JANUARY OF 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE, WHEN HE WOULD ASK ME, HOW’S IT GOING IN RUSSIA? REFERRING TO THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT. YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I, GAVE IT. TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP NEW OF AND DIRECTED THE MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT, BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. AND SO I LIED ABOUT IT, TOO. BECAUSE MR. TRUMP HAD MADE CLEAR TO ME THROUGH HIS PERSONAL STATEMENTS TO ME, THAT WE BOTH NEW TO BE FALSE, AND THROUGH HIS LIES TO THE COUNTRY, THAT HE WANTED ME TO LIE. AND HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME, BECAUSE HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEYS REVIEWED MY STATEMENT, BEFORE I PAVE IT, GAVE IT TO CONGRESS. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, I HAVE BEEN SMEARED AS A RAT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE TRUTH IS MUCH DIFFERENT. AND LET ME TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS MICHAEL DEAN COHEN. AND I AM A BLESSED HUSBAND OF 24 YEARS, AND A FATHER TO AN INCREDIBLE DAUGHTER AND SON. WHEN I MARRIED MY WIFE, I PROMISED HER THAT I WOULD LOVE HER, I WOULD CHERISH HER, AND I WOULD PROTECT HER. AS MY FATHER SAID, COUNTLESS TIMES THROUGHOUT MY CHILDHOOD, YOU, MY WIFE, AND YOU MY CHILDREN, ARE THE AIR THAT I BREATHE. SO TO MY LAURA AND TO MY SAMMY AND TO MY JAKE, THERE’S NOTHING I WOULDN’T DO TO PROTECT YOU. I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO LIVE A LIFE OF LOYALTY, FRIENDSHIP, GENEROSITY, AND COMPASSION. IT’S QUALITIES MY PARENTS INGRAINED IN MY SIBLINGS AND ME SINCE CHILDHOOD. MY FATHER SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST. THANKS TO THE COMPASSION AND SELFLESS ACTS OF OTHERS. HE WAS HELPED BY MANY WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM’S WAY TO DO WHAT THEY KNEW WAS RIGHT AND THAT IS WHY MY FIRST IN TINT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HELP THOSE IN NEED, AND MOM AND DAD, I AM SORRY I LET YOU DOWN. AS THE MANY PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME BEST WOULD SAY, I AM THE PERSON THAT THEY CALL AT 3:00 A.M. IF THEY NEEDED HELP. AND I PROUDLY REQUIRE REMEMBER BEING THE EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR MANY OF MY CHILDREN’S FRIENDS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS KNEW THAT I WOULD DROP EVERYTHING AND CARE FOR THEM AS IF THEY WERE MY OWN. YET LAST FALL, I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF, AT THE DIRECTION OF, AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE. AND FOR THE RECORD, INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IS PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. IT IS PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT I WAS MOTIVATED BY AMBITION AT TIMES. IT IS EVEN MORE PAINFUL TO ADMIT THAT MANY TIMES I IGNORED MY CONSCIENCE AND ACTED LOYAL TO A MAN WHEN I SHOULD NOT HAVE. SITTING HERE TODAY, IT SEEMS UNBELIEVABLEABLE THAT I WAS SO MESMERIZED BY DONALD TRUMP THAT I WAS WILLING TO DO THINGS FOR HIM THAT I KNEW WERE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE COME HERE TO APOLOGIZE TO MY FAMILY, TO MY GOVERNMENT, AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ACCORDINGLY, LET ME NOW TELL YOU ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL, WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS. AS HIS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, AND SPECIAL COUNSEL. AND THEN AS PERSONAL ATTORNEY WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. WHEN I FIRST MET MR. TRUMP, HE WAS A SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR. A REAL ESTATE GIANT. AND AN ICON. BEING AROUND MR. TRUMP WAS INTOXICATING, WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS PRESENCE, YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF, THAT YOU WERE SOMEHOW CHANGING THE WORLD. I WOUND UP TOUTING THE TRUMP NARRATIVE FOR OVER A DECADE. THAT WAS MY JOB. ALWAYS STAY ON MESSAGE. ALWAYS DEFEND. IT MONOPOLIZED MY LIFE. AT FIRST, I WORKED MOSTLY ON REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS. AND OTHER BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, MR. TRUMP BROUGHT ME INTO HIS PERSONAL LIFE AND PRIVATE DEALINGS. OVER TIME, I SAW HIS TRUE CHARACTER CHARACTER REVEALED. MR. TRUMP IS AN ENIGMA, HE IS COMPLICATED, AS AM I. HE IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD, AS DO WE ALL. BUT THE BAD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE GOOD AND SINCE TAKING OFFICE HE HAS BECOME THE WORST VERSION OF HIMSELF. HE IS CAPABLE OF BEHAVING KINDLY, BUT HE’S NOT KIND. HE IS CAPABLE OF COMMITTING ACTS OF GENEROSITY, BUT HE IS NOT GENEROUS. HE IS CAPABLE OF BEING LOYAL, BUT HE IS FUNDAMENTALLY DISLOYAL. DONALD TRUMP IS A MAN WHO RAN FOR OFFICE TO MAKE HIS BRAND GREAT, NOT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT. HE HAD NO DESIRE OR INTENTION TO LEAD THIS NATION, ONLY TO MARKET HIMSELF AND TO BUILD HIS WEALTH AND POWER. MR. TRUMP WOULD OFTEN SAY, THIS CAMPAIGN WAS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST INFOMERCIAL IN POLITICAL HISTORY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE PRIMARY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. THE CAMPAIGN FOR HIM WAS ALWAYS A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY. I KNEW EARLY ON IN MY WORK FOR MR. TRUMP THAT HE WOULD DIRECT ME TO LIE TO FURTHER HIS BUSINESS INTERESTS. AND I AM ASHAMED TO SAY THAT WHEN IT WAS FOR A REAL ESTATE MOGUL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I CONSIDERED IT TRIVIAL. AS THE PRESIDENT, I CONSIDER IT SIGNIFICANT AND DANGEROUS. BUT IN THE MIX LYING FOR MR. TRUMP WAS NORMALIZED AND NO ONE AROUND HIM QUESTIONED IT. IN FAIRNESS, NO ONE AROUND HIM TODAY QUESTIONS IT, EITHER. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT WHETHER MR. TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THE RELEASE OF THE HACKED DOCUMENTS, THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE E-MAIL AHEAD OF TIME AND THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I EARLIER STATED, MR. TRUMP KNEW FROM ROGER STONE IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DROP OF E-MAILS. IN JULY OF 2016 DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY ANNOUNCED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. TRUMP PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKERPHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND THAT MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. MR. TRUMP IS A RACIST. THE COUNTRY HAS SEEN MR. TRUMP COURT WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND BIGOTS. YOU HAVE HEARD HER CALL POORER DONE TREES SHITHOLES, IN PRIVATE HE IS EVEN WORSE. HE ONCE ASKED ME IF I CAN NAME A COUNTRY RUN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WASN’T A SHITHOLE. THIS WAS WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND WHILE WE WERE ONCE DRIVING THROUGH A STRUGGLING NEIGHBORHOOD IN CHICAGO HE COMMENTED THAT ONLY BLACK PEOPLE COULD LIVE THAT WAY, AND HE TOLD ME THAT BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STUPID. AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CHEAT. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, I AM GIVING TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY THREE YEARS OF MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012 AND 2013, WHICH HE GAVE TO DEUTCH BANK TO INQUIRE ABOUT A LOAN TO BUY THE BUFFALO BILLS AND TO FORBES. THESE ARE EXHIBITS 1A, 1B AND 1C TO MY TESTIMONY. IT WAS MY EXPERIENCE THAT MR. TRUMP INFLATED HIS TOTAL ASSETS WHEN IT SERVED HIS PURPOSES, SUCH AS TRYING TO BE LISTED AMONGST THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN FORBES AND DEFLATED HIS ASSETS TO REDUCE HIS REAL ESTATE TAXES. I’M SHARING WITH YOU TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES SIDE-BY-SIDE THAT ARE EXAMPLES OF MR. TRUMP INFLATING AND DEFLATING HIS ASSETS, AS I SAID, TO SUIT HIS FINANCIAL INTERESTS. THESE ARE EXHIBIT 2 TO MY TESTIMONY. AS I NOTED, I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY AN ARTICLE HE WROTE ON AND SENT TO ME THAT REPORTED ON AN AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP. THIS IS EXHIBIT 3A TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO FIND A STRAW BIDDER TO PURCHASE A PORTRAIT OF HIM THAT WAS BEING AUCTIONED OFF AT AN ART HAMPTONS EVENT. THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO ENSURE THAT THIS PORTRAIT WHICH WAS GOING TO BE AUCTIONED LAST WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE OF ANY PORTRAIT THAT AFTERNOON. THE PORTRAIT WAS PURCHASED BY THE FAKE BIDDER FOR $60,000. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED THE TRUMP FOUNDATION, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION, TO REPAY THE FAKE BIDDER, DESPITE KEEPING THE ART FOR HIMSELF. AND PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT 3B TO MY TESTIMONY. AND IT SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE THAT ONE OF MY MORE COMMON RESPONSIBILITIES WAS THAT MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO CALL BUSINESS OWNERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE SMALL BUSINESSES, THAT WERE OWED MONEY FOR THEIR SERVICES AND TOLD THEM THAT NO PAYMENT OR A REDUCED PAYMENT WOULD BE COMING. WHEN I ASKED MR. TRUMP — OR WHEN I TOLD MR. TRUMP OF MY SUCCESS, HE ACTUALLY REVELED IN IT. AND YET I CONTINUE TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CON MAN. HE ASKED ME TO PAY OFF AN ADULT FILM STAR WITH WHOM HE HAD AN AFFAIR AND TO LIE ABOUT IT TO HIS WIFE, WHICH I DID. AND LYING TO THE FIRST LADY IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST REGRETS BECAUSE SHE IS A KIND, GOOD PERSON, AND I RESPECT HER GREATLY, AND SHE DID NOT DESERVE THAT. I AM GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY A COPY OF THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER FROM ME TO MS. CLIFFORD’S ATTORNEY DURING THE CLOSING DAYS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT WAS DEMANDED BY MS. CLIFFORD TO MAINTAIN HER SILENCE ABOUT HER AFFAIR WITH MR. TRUMP. AND THIS IS EXHIBIT 4 TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN, AND I DID THAT, TOO, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR HOW IT WOULD IMPACT ME, MY FAMILY OR THE PUBLIC. AND I AM GOING TO JAIL IN PART BECAUSE OF MY DECISION TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT PAYMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THEY VOTED A FEW DAYS LATER. AS EXHIBIT 5A TO MY TESTIMONY SHOWS, I AM PROVIDING A COPY OF A $35,000 CHECK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY SIGNED FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT ON AUGUST 1st, 2017. WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PURSUANT TO THE COVER UP WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF MY GUILTY PLEA TO REIMBURSE ME, THE WORD USED BY MR. TRUMP’S TV LAWYER FOR THE ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY I PAID ON HIS BEHALF. THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS ONE OF 11 CHECK-IN STALL MTS THAT WAS PAID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG. SEE FOR THAT EXAMPLE 5B. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, AND YOU CAN FIND THE DETAILS OF THAT SCHEME DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP IN THE PLEADINGS IN THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SO PICTURE THIS SCENE, IN FEBRUARY OF 2017, ONE MONTH INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, I’M VISITING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THE FIRST TIME AND IT’S TRULY AWE INSPIRING. HE’S SHOWING ME ALL AROUND AND POINTING TO DIFFERENT PAINTINGS, AND HE SAYS TO ME SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. THEY WERE FED-EX’d FROM NEW YORK AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THAT TO GET THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE SYSTEM. AS HE PROMISED, I RECEIVED THE FIRST CHECK FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF $70,000 NOT LONG THEREAFTER. WHEN I SAY CON MAN, I’M TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO DECLARES HIMSELF BRILLIANT, BUT DIRECTED ME TO THREATEN HIS HIGH SCHOOL, HIS COLLEGES AND THE COLLEGE BOARD TO NEVER RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. AS I MENTIONED, I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY COPIES OF A LETTER I SENT AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THREATENING THESE SCHOOLS WITH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS IF MR. TRUMP’S GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES WERE EVER DISCLOSED WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION. AND THESE ARE UNDER EXHIBIT 6. THE IRONY WASN’T LOST ON ME AT THE TIME THAT MR. TRUMP IN 2011 HAD STRONGLY CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR NOT RELEASING HIS GRADES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN EXHIBIT 7, MR. TRUMP DECLARED, LET HIM SHOW HIS RECORDS, AFTER CALLING PRESIDENT OBAMA A TERRIBLE STUDENT. THE SAD FACT IS THAT I NEVER HEARD MR. TRUMP SAY ANYTHING IN PRIVATE THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE HE LOVED OUR NATION OR WANTED TO MAKE IT BETTER. IN FACT, HE DID THE OPPOSITE. WHEN TELLING ME IN 2008 OR 2009 THAT HE WAS CUTTING EMPLOYEES SALARIES IN HALF, INCLUDING MINE, HE SHOWED ME WHAT HE CLAIMS WAS A $10 MILLION IRS TAX REFUND AND HE SAID THAT HE COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE GOVERNMENT WAS FOR GIVING SOMEONE LIKE HIM THAT MUCH MONEY BACK. DURING THE CAMPAIGN MR. TRUMP SAID THAT HE DID NOT CONSIDER VIETNAM VETERAN AND PRISONER OF WAR, SENATOR JOHN McCAIN, TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HE LIKES PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T CAPTURED. AT THE SAME TIME MR. TRUMP TASKED ME TO HANDLE THE NEGATIVE PRESS SURROUNDING HIS MEDICAL DEFERMENT FROM THE VIETNAM DRAFT. MR. TRUMP CLAIMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF A BONE SPUR, BUT WHEN I ASKED FOR MEDICAL RECORDS, HE GAVE ME NONE. AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NO SURGERY. HE TOLD ME NOT TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BY REPORTERS, BUT RATHER OFFER SIMPLY THE FACT THAT HE RECEIVED A MEDICAL DEFERMENT. HE FINISHED THE CONVERSATION WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, DO YOU THINK I’M STUPID? I’M NOT GOING TO VIETNAM. AND I FIND IT IRONIC, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT YOU ARE IN VIETNAM RIGHT NOW. AND YET I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT WHETHER I KNOW OF DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP OR HIS CAMPAIGN EXCLUDED WITH RUSSIA. I DO NOT. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. BUT I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS. SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017 I READ ALL OVER THE MEDIA THAT THERE HAD BEEN A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER IN JUNE OF 2016 INVOLVING DON JR. AND OTHERS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WITH RUSSIANS, INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, AND AN E-MAIL SETTING UP THE MEETING WITH THE SUBJECT LINE “DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON.” SOMETHING CLICKED IN MY MIND. I REMEMBERED BEING IN A ROOM WITH MR. TRUMP PROBABLY IN EARLY JUNE OF 2016 WHEN SOMETHING PECULIAR HAPPENED. DON TRUMP JR. CAME INTO THE ROOM AND WALKED BEHIND HIS FATHER’S DESK, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE DIDN’T JUST WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S DESK TO TALK TO HIM. AND I RECALL DON JR. LEANING OVER TO HIS FATHER AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE, WHICH I COULD CLEARLY HEAR, AND SAYING, THE MEETING IS ALL SET. AND I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP SAYING, OKAY, GOOD. LET ME KNOW. WHAT STRUCK ME AS I LOOK BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN DON JR. AND HIS FATHER, WAS FIRST, THAT MR. TRUMP HAD FREQUENTLY TOLD ME AND OTHERS THAT HIS SON DON JR. HAD THE WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD. AND ALSO THAT DON JR. WOULD NEVER SET UP ANY MEETING OF SIGNIFICANCE ALONE, AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS FATHER. I ALSO KNEW THAT NOTHING WENT ON IN TRUMP WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN, WITHOUT MR. TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL. SO I CONCLUDED THAT DON JR. WAS REFERRING TO THAT JUNE 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING ABOUT DIRT ON HILLARY WITH THE RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHEN HE WALKED BEHIND HIS DAD’S DESK THAT DAY, AND THAT MR. TRUMP KNEW THAT WAS THE MEETING DON JR. WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAID, THAT’S GOOD. LET ME KNOW. OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO I HAVE DONE SOME REAL SOUL SEARCHING AND I SEE NOW THAT MY AMBITION AND THE INTOXICATION OF TRUMP POWER HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THE BAD DECISIONS IN PART THAT I MADE, AND TO YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AND RANKING MEMBER JORDAN AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, I AM SORRY FOR MY LIES AND FOR LYING TO CONGRESS, AND TO OUR NATION, I AM SORRY FOR ACTIVELY WORKING TO HIDE FROM YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP WHEN YOU NEEDED IT MOST. FOR THOSE WHO QUESTION MY MOTIVES FOR BEING HERE TODAY, I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE LIED, BUT I AM NOT A LIAR. AND I HAVE DONE BAD THINGS, BUT I AM NOT A BAD MAN. I HAVE FIXED THINGS, BUT I AM NO LONGER YOUR FIXER, MR. TRUMP. I AM GOING TO PRISON AND HAVE SHATTERED THE SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT I TRIED SO HARD TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY. MY TESTIMONY CERTAINLY DOES NOT DIMINISH THE PAIN THAT I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS. NOTHING CAN DO THAT. AND I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR NOR WOULD I ACCEPT A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND BY COMING TODAY, I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY TO BE THE TARGET OF PERSONAL, SKEWER LAOS ATTACKS BY THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYER TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME FROM APPEARING BEFORE THIS PANEL. MR. TRUMP CALLED ME A RAT FOR CHOOSING TO TELL THE TRUTH, MUCH LIKE A MOBSTER WOULD DO WHEN ONE OF HIS MEN DECIDES TO COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AS EXHIBIT 8 SHOWS, I HAVE PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF TWEETS THAT MR. TRUMP POSTED, ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY. AND ONLY SOMEONE BURYING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE. IT’S ENCOURAGEMENT TO SOMEONE TO DO HARM TO ME AND MY FAMILY. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT HE WOULD ENGAGE IN VICIOUS, FALSE ATTACKS ON MY FAMILY AND UNLEASH HIS TV LAWYER TO DO THE SAME, AND I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AS A NATION WE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE ATTEMPTS TO INTIMIDATE WITNESSES BEFORE CONGRESS AND ATTACKS ON FAMILY ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. I WISH TO ESPECIALLY THANK SPEAKER PELOSI FOR HER STATEMENTS. THAT’S EXHIBIT 9. TO PROTECT THIS INSTITUTION AND ME. AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, ADAM SCHIFF. AND YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, FOR LIKE WISE DEFENDING THE INSTITUTION AND MY FAMILY AGAINST THE ATTACKS BY MR. TRUMP AND ALSO THE MANY REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE ADMONISHED THE PRESIDENT AS WELL. I AM NOT A PERFECT MAN. I HAVE DONE THINGS I AM NOT PROUD OF AND I WILL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY ACTIONS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. BUT TODAY I GET TO DECIDE THE EXAMPLE THAT I SET FOR MY CHILDREN AND HOW I ATTEMPT TO CHANGE HOW HISTORY WILL REMEMBER ME. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE PAST, BUT I CAN DO RIGHT BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE TODAY. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS.>>MR. COHEN, BEFORE I START, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. YOU HAVE ADMITTED LYING TO CONGRESS, TO THIS VERY BODY, AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON FOR IT. DO YOU, MR. COHEN, RECOGNIZE THE GRAVITY OF YOUR OFFENSES? YOU ARE A LAWYER, RIGHT?>>AS OF YESTERDAY, I AM NO LONGER A LAWYER. I HAVE LOST MY LAW LICENSE, AMONGST OTHER THINGS. >>BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THIS MOMENT?>>I MOST CERTAINLY DO, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>I WANT YOU TO REALLY HEAR THIS, MR. COHEN. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE LYING TO THIS CONGRESS. BY ANYBODY. WE ARE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?>>I DO.>>NOW, THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO MADE NUMEROUS STATEMENTS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE INACCURATE. FOR EXAMPLE, HE SAID HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MS. CLIFFORD. IN HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM HE SAID HE NEVER OWED MONEY TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THOSE PAYMENTS. YET IN YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. COHEN, YOU SAID THAT YOU MET WITH THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN FEBRUARY OF 2017 AND DISCUSSED HIS PLANS TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR MONEY YOU PAID. YOU SAY HE TOLD YOU, AND I QUOTE, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. IS THAT ACCURATE? AND WAS THAT IN THE OVAL OFFICE?>>THE STATEMENT IS ACCURATE, BUT THE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE REIMBURSEMENT OCCURRED LONG BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. >>WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT?>>BACK IN 2017 WHEN — ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE — IN 2016, PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, I WAS CONTACTED BY KEITH DAVIDSON WHO IS THE ATTORNEY — OR WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR MS. CLIFFORD, FOR STORMY DANIELS. AND AFTER SEVERAL ROUNDS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT PURCHASING HER LIFE RIGHTS FOR $130,000, WHAT I DID EACH AND EVERY TIME IS GO STRAIGHT INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AND DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH HIM. WHEN IT WAS ULTIMATELY DETERMINED — AND THIS WAS DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION — THAT MR. TRUMP WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000, IN THE OFFICE WITH ME WAS ALLEN WEISSELBERG, THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. HE ACKNOWLEDGED TO ALLEN THAT HE WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000 AND THAT ALLEN AND I SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. SO, YES, SIR, I STAND BY THE STATEMENT THAT I GAVE, BUT THERE WAS A HISTORY TO IT.>>IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU SAID YOU BOUGHT SOME CHECKS, IS THAT RIGHT? YOU SAID YOU BOUGHT SOME CHECKS.>>YES, SIR. >>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF THESE. THIS FROM THE TRUMP TRUST THAT HOLDS THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESSES, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO SIGNED THIS CHECK?>>I BELIEVE THAT THE TOP SIGNATURE IS DONALD TRUMP JR. AND THE BOTTOM SIGNATURE I BELIEVE IS ALLEN WEISSELBERG’S. >>AND CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATE OF THAT CHECK?>>MARCH 17th OF 2017. >>WAIT A MINUTE. HOLD UP. THE DATE ON THE CHECK IS AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP HELD HIS BIG PRESS CONFERENCE CLAIMING THAT HE GAVE UP CONTROL OF HIS BUSINESSES. HOW COULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE ARRANGED FOR YOU TO GET THIS CHECK IF HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY PLAYING NO ROLE IN HIS BUSINESS?>>BECAUSE THE PAYMENTS WERE DESIGNED TO BE PAID OVER THE COURSE OF 12 MONTHS AND IT WAS DECLARED TO BE A RETAINER FOR SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED FOR THE YEAR OF 2017. >>WAS THERE A RETAINER AGREEMENT?>>THERE IS NO RETAINER AGREEMENT. >>WOULD DON JR. OR MR. WEISSELBERG HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?>>MR. WEISSELBERG FOR SURE ABOUT THE ENTIRE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, AND DON JR. WOULD HAVE CURSORY INFORMATION. >>NOW, HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS ONE APPEARS TO BE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF. IS THAT HIS SIGNATURE?>>THAT IS DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE.>>SO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. DONALD TRUMP WROTE YOU A CHECK OUT OF HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT WHILE HE WAS SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MS. CLIFFORD, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY?>>YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ONE FINAL QUESTION. THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS. HIS ETHICS FILING SAID HE OWED NOTHING TO YOU. BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS PAYING FOR?>>THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, AND I TRULY BELIEVE THERE IS NO DOUBT IN THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.>>AND THESE NEW DOCUMENTS APPEAR TO CORROBORATE WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US. WITH THAT I WILL YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN [ INAUDIBLE ].>>I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND I MEET ONE DAY WHILE WE ARE IN THE COURTHOUSE AND I WILL TAKE YOU FOR EVERY PENNY YOU STILL DON’T HAVE AND I WILL COME AFTER YOU ON DAILY BEAST AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT YOU POSSIBLY KNOW. SO I’M WARNING YOU, TREAD VERY F’ing LIGHTLY BECAUSE WHAT I’M GOING TO DO TO YOU IS GOING TO BE F’ing DISGUSTING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME? MR. COHEN, WHO SAID THAT?>>I DID. >>AND DID YOU SAY THAT, MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TESTIMONY ON PAGE 2, YOU SAID YOU DID THINGS FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT HIM. WAS THAT STATEMENT THAT I JUST READ THAT YOU ADMITTED TO SAYING, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>I DID IT TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP JR., IVANKA TRUMP AND ERIC TRUMP. >>AND IN YOUR SENTENCING STATEMENT BACK IN DECEMBER IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE YOU SAID THIS, MR. COHEN, MY WEAKNESS CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS A BLIND LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP, A BLIND LOYALTY THAT LED ME TO CHOOSE A PATH OF DARKNESS. IS THAT ACCURATE, MR. COHEN?>>I WROTE THAT. >>YOU WROTE THAT AND SAID THAT IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE, THAT IS CORRECT. >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>LET ME READ A FEW OTHER THINGS AND LET ME ASK YOU WHY YOU DID SOME OF THESE THINGS. WHEN YOU FILED A FALSE TAX RETURN IN 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 AND 2016, WAS ALL THAT OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT.>>WHEN YOU FAILED TO REPORT $4 MILLION IN INCOME TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>NO, I DID NOT. >>AND WHEN YOU FAILED TO PAY $1.4 MILLION IN TAXES, I’VE GOT CONSTITUENTS WHO DON’T MAKE THAT IN A LIFETIME — WHEN YOU FAILED TO PAY $1.4 MILLION IN TAXES TO THE U.S. TREASURY WAS THAT OUT OF SOME BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?>>IT WAS NOT, BUT THE NUMBER WAS 1.38 AND CHANGE AND I HAVE PAID THAT MONEY BACK TO THE IRS AT THIS TIME. >>I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL APPRECIATE THAT 1.3 — >>I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT WAS OVER A COURSE OF FIVE YEARS, APPROXIMATELY $260,000 A YEAR. >>THAT’S WHAT I SAID, 2013, 2012, 2014, 2015, THAT’S FIVE YEARS. >>YES. >>GOT IT. WHEN YOU MADE FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CONCERNING A HOME EXIT WIT LINE OF CREDIT, TAXI MEDALLIONS AND YOUR PARK AVENUE APARTMENT IN 2013, 2014 AND 2015 AND YOU PLED GUILTY TO MAKING THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS TO THOSE BANKS, WAS THAT ALL DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT. >>HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, WHEN YOU CREATED THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT WOMEN FOR COHEN AND PAID A FIRM TO POST TWEETS LIKE THIS ONE, IN A WORLD OF LIES, DECEPTION AND FRAUD, WE APPRECIATE THIS HONEST GUY, @MICHAELCOHEN, #TGIF, # HANDSOME, #SEXY. WAS THAT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>MR. JORDAN, I DIDN’T ACTUALLY SET THAT UP, IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WORKED FOR RED FINCH. DURING THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN WHICH YOU WOULD KNOW IT’S SOMEWHAT CRAZY AND FILED. WE WERE HAVING FUN. THAT’S WHAT IT WAS, SIR, WE WERE HAVING FUN. >>WAS IT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>THAT WAS NOT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. >>WAS IT A FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT. >>NO, IT WAS A REAL TWITTER ACCOUNT. >>DID YOU PAY A FIRM TO CREATE — >>I DIDN’T PAY A FIRM TO DO THAT, IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WORKS FOR THE FIRM AND, AGAIN, WE WERE HAVING FUN DURING A STRESSFUL TIME. >>DID YOU LIE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT OR DID YOU LIE TO PROTECT YOURSELF?>>I’M NOT SURE THAT HELPED ME, SIR. >>I’M NOT SURE IT DID, EITHER. >>MORE THAN HALF A PEOPLE ON THAT SITE ARE MEN. >>THE CHAIRMAN GAVE YOU A 30 MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND FRANKLY DON’T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, TAKE WHAT THE COURT SAID. TAKE WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAID. COHEN DID CRIMES THAT WERE MARKED BY A PATTERN OF DECEPTION AND THAT PERMEATED HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE. THESE CRIMES WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR HARMS BUT BEAR A COMMON SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY EACH INVOLVED DECEPTION AND WERE EACH — EACH MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. A PATTERN OF DECEPTION FOR PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION AND YOU JUST GOT 30 MINUTES OF AN OPENING STATEMENT WHERE YOU TRASHED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID — HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>APPROXIMATELY A DECADE. >>TEN YEARS?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>AND YOU SAID ALL THESE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THERE IN THAT LAST 30 MINUTES AND YET YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS? ALL THOSE BAD THINGS — I MEAN, IF IT’S THAT BAD I CAN SEE YOU WORKING FOR HIM FOR TEN DAYS, MAYBE TEN WEEKS, MAYBE EVEN TEN MONTHS, BUT YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU — HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE?>>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>AND THAT’S THE POINT, ISN’T IT, MR. COHEN. >>NO, SIR. >>YES, IT IS. >>NO, IT’S NOT. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>NO, SIR. >>YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO YOU DANCE AND NOW — >>I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS OFFERED JOBS. I CAN TELL YOU A STORY OF MR. TRUMP REAMING OUT REINCE PRIEBUS BECAUSE I HAD NOT TAKEN A JOB WHERE MR. TRUMP WANTED ME TO, WHICH IS WORKING WITH DON McGAHN AT THE WHITE HOUSE GENERAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE. >>MR. COHEN, YOU WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT — >>SIR, ONE SECOND. WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME AND I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO PRODUCED A MEMO AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN ORDER TO HANDLE — >>MR. COHEN — >>– SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING, THAT IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY. >>HERE IS WHAT I SEE. I SEE A GUY THAT WORKED FOR TEN YEARS AND IS HERE TRASHING THE GUY HE WORKED FOR FOR TEN YEARS, DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOW — AND NOW YOU’RE BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO GOT FIRED OR DIDN’T GET THE JOB THEY WANTED, LIKE ANDY McCABE, LIKE JAMES COMEY, SAME KIND OF SELFISH MOTIVATION AFTER YOU DON’T GET THE THING YOU WANT, THAT’S WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE. >>MR. JORDAN, ALL I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT, TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. TO ENJOY THE SENIOR YEAR OF MY SON IN HIGH SCHOOL AND WAITING FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO IS GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE TO COME BACK TO NEW YORK. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.>>EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT?>>WHAT I WANTED. >>YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON. >>I RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MS. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AS YOU LIKELY KNOW I SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE AT THE TIME OF THE RUSSIAN HACKS AND WHEN RUSSIA WEAPONIZED THE MESSAGES THAT IT HAD STOLEN, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, MY QUESTIONS ARE NOT ABOUT THE HARM DONE TO ANY INDIVIDUAL, BY WIKILEAKS AND THE RUSSIANS, IT’S ABOUT THE POSSIBLE AND LIKELY HARM TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR DEMOCRACY. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE WILL CONNECT MORE OF THESE DOTS. MR. COHEN, IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT MR. TRUMP HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THE RUSSIA WIKILEAKS RELEASE OF THE DNC’S E-MAILS?>>I CAN’T — I CANNOT ANSWER THAT IN A YES OR NO. HE HAD ADVANCED NOTICE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS, BUT AT NO TIME DID I HEAR THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THOSE E-MAILS WERE GOING TO BE. >>BUT YOU DO TESTIFY TODAY THAT HE HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR — OF THEIR IMMINENT RELEASE?>>THAT IS WHAT I HAD STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. >>AND THAT HE CHEERED THAT OUTCOME?>>YES, MA’AM. >>DID MR. TRUMP LIKELY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA, SON DON JR. OR JARED KUSHNER?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT. >>WAS IVANKA, JARED OR DON JR. STILL INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIA TOWER DEAL AT THAT TIME?>>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL, WHICH MEANT THAT THE FAMILY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL.>>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA AND DONALD JR. ARE INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIA TRUMP TOWER DEAL IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE FAMILY IS CONFLICTED OR COMPROMISE WD A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION?>>YES. >>BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT AND KNOWLEDGE OF HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. STONE, THAT THE PRESIDENT EXPLICITLY OR IMPLICITLY AUTHORIZED MR. STONE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH WIKILEAKS AND TO INDICATE THE CAMPAIGN’S INTEREST IN THE STRATEGIC RELEASE OF THESE ILLEGALLY HACKED MATERIALS?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT. >>WAS MR. STONE A FREE AGENT REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE OR WAS HE AN AGENT OF THE CAMPAIGN ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT AND WITH HIS APPARENT AUTHORITY?>>NO, HE WAS A FREE AGENT. >>A FREE AGENT THAT WAS REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE. >>CORRECT. HE FREQUENTLY REACHED OUT TO MR. TRUMP AND MR. TRUMP WAS VERY HAPPY TO TAKE HIS CALLS. IT WAS FREE SERVICE. >>ROGER STONE SAYS HE NEVER SPOKE WITH MR. TRUMP ABOUT WIKILEAKS. HOW CAN WE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?>>I DON’T KNOW, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU’RE SEEKING.>>MOVING ON TO A LITTLE LATER IN 2016, A MAJOR WIKILEAKS DUMP HAPPENS HOURS AFTER THE “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” TAPE IS RELEASED. DO YOU BELIEVE OR ARE YOU AWARE OF MR. TRUMP COORDINATING OR SIGNALING FOR THIS E-MAIL DUMP?>>I AM UNAWARE OF THAT. I ACTUALLY WAS NOT EVEN IN THE COUNTRY AT THE TIME OF THE BILLY BUSH TAPE. I WAS IN LONDON VISITING MY DAUGHTER. >>KNOWING HOW MR. TRUMP OPERATES WITH HIS WINNING AT ALL COSTS MENTALITY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD COOPERATE OR EXCLUDE WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY? IS HE CAPABLE OF THAT?>>IT CALLS ON SO MUCH SPECULATION, MA’AM, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR FOR ME TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. >>BUT YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE — >>MR. TRUMP IS ALL ABOUT WINNING. HE WILL DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO WIN. >>AND IN YOUR OPINION AND EXPERIENCE WOULD HE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COOPERATE OR COLLUDE WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>YES. >>BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW WOULD MR. TRUMP OR DID HE LIE ABOUT COLLUDING AND COORDINATING WITH THE RUSSIANS AT ANY POINT DURING THE CAMPAIGN?>>SO AS I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY, I WOULDN’T USE THE WORD COLLUDING. WAS THERE SOMETHING ODD ABOUT THE BACK AND FORTH PRAISE WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN? YES. BUT I’M NOT REALLY SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN TERMS OF COLLUSION. I WAS NOT PART OF THE CAMPAIGN, I DON’T KNOW THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT MR. TRUMP HAD WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS. THERE’S JUST SO MANY DOTS THAT ALL SEEM TO LEAD TO THE SAME DIRECTION. >>FINALLY BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES, MR. COHEN, THE CAMPAIGN AND THE ENTIRE TRUMP ORGANIZATION APPEARED TO BE FILTHY WITH RUSSIAN CONTACT. THERE ARE RUSSIAN BUSINESS CONTACTS, THERE ARE CAMPAIGN RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE ARE LIES ABOUT ALL OF THOSE CONTACTS AND THEN WE HAVE ROGER STONE INFORMING THE PRESIDENT JUST BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT WIKILEAKS WAS GOING TO DROP DOCUMENTS IN THE PUBLIC ARENA THAT WE KNEW AT THAT POINT WERE HACKED AND STOLEN BY RUSSIA FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE –>>THE GENTLE LADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER HER INQUIRY. >>MY QUESTION IS — >>QUICKLY. >>GIVEN ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS, IS IT LIKELY THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS FULLY AWARE AND HAD EVERY INTENT OF WORKING WITH RUSSIA TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT HE COULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>SO LET ME SAY THAT THIS IS A MATTER THAT’S CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED BY THE HOUSE SELECT AND THE SENATE SELECT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES. I WOULD RATHER NOT ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION OTHER THAN JUST TO TELL YOU THAT MR. TRUMP’S DESIRE TO WIN WOULD HAVE HIM WORK WITH ANYONE. AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAD SAID IN MY STATEMENT, IS THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT, IT WAS WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE ELECTION. SO THIS WAS JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. RANKING MEMBER JORDAN. THE CHAIRMAN AND THIS COMMITTEE HAVE PROMISED MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS, YET THE DEMOCRATS HAVE VASTLY LIMITED THE SCOPE OF THIS HEARING, THEY’VE ISSUED A GAG ORDER TO TRY TO TELL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT TALK ABOUT. MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE CLAIM THAT THEY WANT THE TRUTH, THAT THEY WANT TRANSPARENCY AND FAIR OVERSIGHT YET THE DEMOCRATS WITNESSED TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS TODAY IS NONE OTHER THAN A SKOURND MAN WHO IS GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. LET THAT SINK IN. HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS AND HE IS THE STAR WITNESS TO CONGRESS. IF YOU READ THE SENTENCING REPORT ON MR. COHEN, WORDS LIKE DECEPTIVE AND GREEDY ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THAT REPORT. IT PAINTS A PICTURE OF A NARCISSIST, A BULLY WHO CANNOT TELL THE TRUTH WHETHER IT’S ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR ABOUT HIS OWN PERSONAL LIFE, BUT TODAY HE’S THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS. IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD HAVE AN HONEST PERSON HERE TESTIFYING. AND IF THEY WERE REALLY AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD NOT RESTRICT THE QUESTIONING TO JUST A FEW TOP PICKS. BUT LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE RESTRICTED TOPICS. MARTIN LUTHER KING, THE FIRST TOPIC IN YOUR LIMITED SCOPE THAT I CAN ASK MR. COHEN IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS, BUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, DIDN’T MR. COHEN PLEAD GUILTY TO LYING TO BANKS ABOUT HIS PERSONAL FINANCES? SO WE’RE ASKING A GUY GOING TO JAIL FOR LYING ABOUT HIS DEBTS TO COMMENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. HE’S THE EXPERT. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR NEXT COUPLE TOPICS SAY THAT I CAN ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE WITH FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, BUT DIDN’T MR. COHEN ON TWO OCCASIONS BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW WITH HIS OWN DONATIONS? SO, AGAIN, THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS ON THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE IS A GUY WHO BROKE COMPLIANCE LAWS HIMSELF. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU GRACIOUSLY ALLOW US TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. COHEN ON THE PRESIDENT’S DEALINGS WITH THE IRS AND TAX LAW. YOUR STAR WITNESS HERE BROKE THE LAW WITH REGARDS TO THE IRS AT LEAST FIVE TIMES. HE PLED GUILTY ON CHEATING ON HIS TAXES, LYING TO THE IRS, HE’S THE BEST WITNESS YOU GOT? NEXT UP, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE CHAIRMAN, I GET TO ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT HIS PROSPECTIVE ON THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS DEALINGS. LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, THE WITNESS LIED TO MULTIPLE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO GET LOANS TO PAY OFF OTHER LOANS JUST TO KEEP HIMSELF AFLOAT AND HE’S GOING TO BE THE EXPERT ON BUSINESS PRACTICES. OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE WITNESS MIGHT PRODUCE DOCUMENTS THAT HE SUGGESTS INCRIMINATES THE PRESIDENT, YET HE LIES TO BANKS, ALL OF THOSE LIES WERE DONE ON FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS THAT HE FORGED. NOTHING HE SAYS OR PRODUCES HAS ANY CREDIBILITY. APPARENTLY HE EVEN LIED ABOUT DELIVERING HIS OWN CHILD WHICH HIS WIFE HAD TO CORRECT THE RECORD OF. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HOW OFTEN EARTH IS THIS WITNESS CREDIBLE? WITH ALL THE LIES AND DECEPTION THE SELF-SERVING FRAUD, IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE MAJORITY PARTY DOING HERE? NO ONE CAN SEE THIS GUY AS CREDIBLE. HE WILL SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS OWN PERSONAL GOALS. HE’S A FAKE WITNESS AND HIS PRESENCE HERE IS A TRAVESTY. I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THIS. I KNOW THE PEOPLE BACK IN TENNESSEE WILL. AND WITH THAT STATEMENT, SIR, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS. WITH YOUR LOSS OF YOUR LAW LICENSE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD BEEN DISBARRED, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INCOME IN THE FUTURE?>>I DON’T EXPECT I’M GOING TO HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME WHEN I’M IN FEDERAL PENITENTIARY. >>WHAT — IS THERE A BOOK DEAL COMING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?>>I HAVE NO BOOK DEAL RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS. I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY MANY, INCLUDING FOR TELEVISION, A MOVIE, IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHO YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLAY YOU I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WRITE THE NAME DOWN.>>I’M SURE THERE’S A VERY ATTRACTIVE MAN — >>I’D ALSO LIKE TO CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT ON ME. >>LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION, THOUGH, I ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHO PAID YOUR EXPENSES TO BE HERE TODAY?>>WHO HAS PAID MY EXPENSES?>>TO BE HERE TODAY. >>I PAID MY EXPENSES.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I’D LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINING OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER.>>MR. COHEN, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU TALK TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE?>>SEVEN. >>DID THEY TALK TO YOU AT ALL IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY’S HEARING BETWEEN THE SEVEN TIMES YOU TALKED TO THEM PRIOR TO YOUR SENTENCING, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE BETWEEN SENTENCING AND TODAY?>>I’M SORRY, I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.>>YOU TALKED TO THEM SEVEN TIMES, THAT’S IN THE SENTENCING MEMORANDUMS THAT WERE IN FRONT OF THE COURT BACK IN DECEMBER. WHAT I’M ASKING IS HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SINCE THEN UP TO TODAY’S APPEARANCE HERE IN CONGRESS. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION, THOUGH, THAT ONE QUESTION. >>I’M SORRY, I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. >>MR. MS. MALONEY. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TEN YEARS OF WORKING FOR DONALD TRUMP DID HE CONTROL EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND DID YOU HAVE TO GET HIS PERMISSION IN ADVANCE AND REPORT BACK AFTER EVERY MEETING OF ANY IMPORTANCE?>>YES.>>MY — >>THERE WAS — THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION FROM WHETHER IT WAS A RESPONSE AS THE DAILY BEAST STORY THAT YOU REFERRED TO, RANKING MEMBER, THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP WITH HIS APPROVAL AND SIGNOFF, AS IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENTS. >>HOW MANY TIMES DID THE PRESIDENT, MICHAEL, ASK YOU OR DIRECT YOU TO TRY TO REACH SETTLEMENTS WITH WOMEN IN 2015 AND 2016?>>I’M SORRY, MA’AM, I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I’D HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RECOLLECT. IT’S CERTAINLY THE TWO THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.>>WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT DID NOT PROVIDE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO HIDE? HE CORRECTED OTHER FORMS BUT HE DIDN’T CORRECT THIS ONE.>>THE PAYMENTS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS THAT I EXTENDED ON HIS BEHALF. >>CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE?>>WELL, GOING BACK INTO THE STORY, AS I STATED, WHEN WE — ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND I LEFT THE OFFICE AND WENT TO HIS OFFICE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON HOW THE MONEY WAS GOING TO BE WIRED TO THE IOLA, THE INTEREST ON THE LAWYER’S ACCOUNT FOR KEITH DAVIDSON IN CALIFORNIA. I HAD ASKED ALLEN TO USE HIS MONEY. DIDN’T WANT TO USE MINE. HE SAID HE COULDN’T AND WE THEN DECIDED HOW ELSE WE CAN DO IT. HE ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I KNOW ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE A PARTY AT ONE OF HIS CLUBS THAT COULD PAY ME INSTEAD OR SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE WANTED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE GOLF CLUBS, AND I ALSO DON’T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THAT. AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS DOWN TO THE WIRE, IT WAS EITHER WE — SOMEBODY WIRE THE FUNDS AND PURCHASE THE LIFE RIGHTS TO THE STORY FROM MS. CLIFFORD OR IT WAS GOING TO END UP BEING SOLD TO TELEVISION AND THAT WOULD HAVE EMBARRASSED THE PRESIDENT AND IT WOULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH THE ELECTION. >>BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER AMENDED HIS 2017 FORM TO THIS DAY AND WHILE YOU’RE FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF GOING TO JAIL HE IS NOT. >>WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THEY AMENDED A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM AND THERE IS A FOOTNOTE SOMEWHERE BURIED, I DON’T RECALL SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT SAYS, BUT THERE IS A FOOTNOTE BURIED SOMEWHERE. >>CAN YOU DESCRIBE, MICHAEL, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CATCH AND KILL?>>SO CATCH AND KILL IS A METHOD THAT EXISTS WHEN YOU’RE WORKING WITH A NEWS OUTLET, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS AMI, “NATIONAL ENQUIRER,” DAVID PECKER, DYLAN HOWARD AND OTHERS, WHERE THEY WOULD CONTACT ME OR MR. TRUMP OR SOMEONE AND STATE THAT THERE IS A STORY THAT’S PERCOLATING OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN. AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CONTACT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND YOU PURCHASE THE RIGHTS TO THAT STORY FROM THEM.>>AND YOU PRACTICED THIS FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES. THESE CATCH AND KILL SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID PECKER AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR HIM IN 2007.>>MICHAEL, CAN YOU SUGGEST WHO ELSE THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE?>>YES, I BELIEVE DAVID PECKER, DYLAN HOWARD, BARRY LEVINE OF AMI AS WELL, ALLEN WEISSELBERG, ALAN GARTEN OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS WELL. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A STORY OF REDEMPTION. >>THANK YOU, MA’AM. >>MR. COMER. >>MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU STATED THAT YOU BEGAN WORK FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS A LAWYER DEALING WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS. IS THAT CORRECT. >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>PRIOR TO COMING TO CONGRESS I SERVED AS THE DIRECTOR OF TWO DIFFERENT BANKS AND HAVE SEEN HUNDREDS OF LOAN APPLICATIONS AND TO TRY TO DETERMINE YOUR CREDIBILITY I WANTED TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION QUESTIONS JUST SO SEE HOW, IN FACT, YOU OPERATE. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS YOU LIED TO BANKS TO SECURE LOANS BY FALSELY STATING THE AMOUNT OF DEBT YOU WERE CARRYING. MR. COHEN, MY QUESTION TO YOU, WAS IT DONALD TRUMP’S FAULT THAT YOU KNOWINGLY COMMITTED A CRIME OF DECEPTION TO DEFRAUD A BANK?>>NO, IT’S NOT. >>WAS THAT FRAUDULENT LOAN YOU OBTAINED FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION OR FOR YOU PERSONALLY?>>IT WOULD BE FOR ME, THOUGH I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHICH LOAN THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO. I WILL — I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING. >>MR. COHEN — >>I WOULD LIKE JUST TO RESPOND.>>THE LOAN — >>WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOME EQUITY LINED OF CREDIT WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE YOU’RE REFERRING TO — >>WE’RE ALSO — I’M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION PERTAINING TO YOUR SUMMER HOME THAT YOU PURCHASED, TOO. >>I NEVER PURCHASED A SUMMER HOME. NO INDIVIDUAL OR NO BANK IN THE 22 YEARS THAT I’VE HAD LOANS HAVE EVER LOST A DOLLAR WITH ME. I OWE NO MONEY TO ANY BANK. >>WELL, THE BANKS USUALLY FIND OUT IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE THEM. >>IN 22 YEARS — >>MR. COHEN. >>– OR ANY BANK. >>MR. COHEN, DID YOUR SO-CALLED BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT CAUSE YOU TO DEFRAUD THE BANK FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL BANK. >>SIR, I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT BECAUSE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A FRAUD — I NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK. >>LET’S DIG A LITTLE DEEPER ON THAT, ON THE BANK FRAUD. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES AS WELL AS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF MONTHLY EXPENSES. THAT’S ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. NOW, MR. COHEN, YOU BEING A LAWYER, SURELY YOU KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT?>>SIR, I’M NOT A CPA AND I PLED GUILTY. I’M GOING TO PRISON AS A RESULT OF IT. >>BECAUSE YOU ARE A CON?>>NO, SIR. BECAUSE I PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE DOING THE TIME. I HAVE CAUSED TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS PAIN TO MY FAMILY AND I TAKE NO HAPPINESS IN THE — >>ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE BANK. WHEN THE BANK FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LIABILITIES THAT YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE, YOU LIED AGAIN TO THE BANK, THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND SAID IT HAD BEEN EXPUNGED WHEN, IN FACT, YOU JUST SHIFTED THE DEBT TO ANOTHER BANK. SO APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, YOUR INTENT TO DEFRAUD THE BANK WAS FOR THE DESIRE TO PURCHASE THE SUMMER HOME FOR $8.5 MILLION. >>NO, SIR. >>THAT’S NOT CORRECT. >>THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF OF AN EQUITY LINE, CONSIDERING I HAD LESS THAN A 50% LOAN TO VALUE ON THE ASSETS AND THERE WAS A PREEXISTING LINE OF CREDIT THAT EXISTED YEARS BEFORE THE DATE THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WHERE THIS IS ALL SURROUNDING NEW YORK CITY TAXI MEDALLIONS. >>BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE LIABILITIES, ESPECIALLY $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES, THAT IS, IN FACT, FRAUD. >>EXCEPT EVEN WITH THE $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES — >>HOW MUCH WAS IT?>>THE MEDALLIONS WERE AT THAT TIME WORTH OVER $45 MILLION. >>MR. COHEN, YOU CALLED DONALD TRUMP A CHEAT IN YOUR OPENING TESTIMONY. WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOURSELF?>>A FOOL. >>YOU CALLING — OKAY. WELL, NO COMMENT ON THAT.>>I APPRECIATE THAT. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, WE SAID WE WERE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH AND I WOULD HOPE THAT AS THIS COMMITTEE MOVES FORWARD THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBPOENA WITNESSES WE SUBPOENA WITNESSES THAT ARE NOT RECENTLY DISBARRED, ARE NOT CONVICTED FELONS AND WITNESSES THAT HAVEN’T COMMITTED BANK FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD. THAT IS HOW WE’RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE TRUTH. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER. >>I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE POINT. WE JUST HAD A FIVE-MINUTE DEBATE WHERE MR. COHEN DISPUTES WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOUND WHAT THE JUDGE FOUND THAT HE WAS GUILTY OF COMMITTING BANK FRAUD. IF THIS STATEMENT DOESN’T SAY IT ALL. COHEN’S CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONGDOING IS FLEETING, HIS REMORSE IS MINIMAL, HIS INSTINCT IS TO BLAME OTHERS IS STRONG. THERE’S ONLY ONE THING WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT, HIS REMORSE IS NONEXISTENT. HE JUST DEBATED A MEMBER OF CONGRESS SAYING I REALLY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FALSE BANK THINGS THAT I’M GUILTY OF AND GOING TO PRISON FOR. >>THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. >>WILL THE GENTLEMAN FIELD YAHOO ELD?>>I PLED GUILTY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>SHAME ON YOU, MR. JORDAN. THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. SHAME ON YOU. >>MR. CHAIRMAN — >>THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. WHAT I SAID IS I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I WAS DOING IS EXPLAINING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HIS FACTS ARE INACCURATE. I STILL — I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKES. ALL RIGHT. I AM REMORSEFUL AND I AM GOING TO PRISON. I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND FAMILY FOR YEARS. SO BEFORE YOU TURN AROUND — >>I UNDERSTAND THAT. >>PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING YOU TODAY THAT KNOW ME A WHOLE LOT BETTER. I MADE MISTAKES. I OWN THEM AND I DIDN’T FIGHT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I DIDN’T PUT THE SYSTEM THROUGH AN ENTIRE SCENARIO, BUT WHAT I DID DO IS I PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE, AGAIN, GOING TO PRISON. >>MR. NORTON. >>MR. COHEN, AT THE CENTER OF THE REASONS YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON IS CONVICTION FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND THEY CENTER AROUND SOME SALACIOUS REVELATIONS. THE “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTED — OR AIRED AN “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” VIDEO. IT SET A RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED, CRASHED THE NEWSPAPER’S SERVER, BUT THIS HAPPENED IN EARLY OCTOBER ON THE CUSP OF THE ELECTION. WHAT WAS MR. TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE VIDEO BECOMING PUBLIC AT THAT TIME AND WAS HE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT VIDEO ON THE ELECTION?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I STATED BEFORE, I WAS IN LONDON AT THE TIME VISITING MY DAUGHTER WHO WAS STUDYING THERE FOR A WASHINGTON SEMESTER ABROAD. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL DURING THE DINNER FROM HOPE HICKS STATING THAT SHE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO MR. TRUMP AND WE NEED YOU TO START MAKING PHONE CALLS TO THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT NEWS OUTLETS THAT YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH, AND WE NEED TO SPIN THIS. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST TO CLAIM THAT THIS WAS MEN LOCKER ROOM TALK. >>WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ELECTION IN PARTICULAR?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. THEN COUPLE THAT WITH KAREN McDOUGAL, WHICH THEN CAME OUT AROUND THE SAME TIME, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT THE STORMY DANIELS MATTER.>>YEAH, AND THESE THINGS HAPPENED IN THE MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION AND ALMOST ONE AFTER THE OTHER. THE STORMY DANIELS REVELATION WHERE PROSECUTORS AND OFFICIALS — PROSECUTORS LEARNED OF THAT — OF THAT MATTER AND PROSECUTORS STATED THAT THE OFFICIALS AT THE MAGAZINE CONTACTED YOU ABOUT THE STORY, AND THE MAGAZINE, OF COURSE, IS THE “NATIONAL ENQUIRER.” IS THAT CORRECT, IS THAT THEY DID?>>YES, MA’AM. >>COME TO YOU. WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THIS NEWS STORY BECOMING PUBLIC RIGHT AFTER THE “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” STUDY IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE ELECTION?>>I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY MR. TRUMP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT. >>THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S CONCERN ABOUT THESE MATTERS BECOMING PUBLIC IN OCTOBER AS WE WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO AN ELECTION?>>I DON’T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISPUTE THIS BELIEF THAT AFTER THE WILDFIRE THAT ENCOMPASSED THE BILLY BUSH TAPE THAT A SECOND FOLLOW-UP TO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PLEASANT, AND HE WAS CONCERNED WITH THE AFFECT THAT IT HAD HAD ON THE CAMPAIGN, ON HOW WOMEN WERE SEEING HIM AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE A SHOT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. >>AND SO YOU NEGOTIATED THE $130,000 PAYMENT. >>THE $130,000 NUMBER WAS NOT A NUMBER THAT WAS ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED. IT WAS TOLD TO ME BY KEITH DAVIDSON THAT THIS IS A NUMBER THAT MS. CLIFFORD WANTED. >>YOU FINALLY COMPLETED THAT DEAL, AS IT WERE, ON OCTOBER THE 25th, DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE INTERIM?>>CONTEMPLATED WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT. WASN’T SURE IF SHE WAS REALLY GOING TO GO PUBLIC. THERE WAS, AGAIN, SOME COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND KEITH DAVIDSON. AND ULTIMATELY IT CAME TO EITHER DO IT OR DON’T, AT WHICH TIME, AGAIN, I HAD GONE INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AS I DID AFTER EACH AND EVERY CONVERSATION AND HE HAD TOLD ME THAT HE HAD SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS AND IT’S $130,000, IT’S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. AND WE SHOULD JUST DO IT. SO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. AND I WAS AT THE TIME WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG, WHERE HE DIRECTED US TO GO BACK TO MR. WEISSELBERG’S OFFICE AND FIGURE THIS ALL OUT.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. BETOS.>>MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATTON? I’M RIGHT HERE >>YES, SIR. >>DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATTON?>>YES, I DO.>>I ASKED LYNN TO COME TODAY IN HER PERSONAL CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY SHED SOME LIGHT. HOW DO YOU KNOW MISS PATTON. >>I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR MISS PATTON JOINING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE JOB SHE HOLDS. >>I’M GLAD YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, BECAUSE YOU MADE SOME VERY DEMEANING COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT MISS PATTON DOESN’T AGREE WITH. IN FACT, IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR CLAIM OF RACISM. SHE SAYS THAT AS A DAUGHTER OF A MAN BORN IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD WORK FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS RACIST. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THE TWO OF THOSE?>>AS NEITHER SHOULD I, AS THE SON OF A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR.>>BUT, MR. COHEN, I GUESS WHAT I’M SAYING IS, I’VE TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OVER 300 TIMES. I’VE NOT HEARD ONE TIME A RACIST COMMENT OUT OF HIS MOUTH IN PRIVATE. SO HOW DO YOU RECONCILE IT? DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS?>>I WOULD ASK YOU TO — >>DO YOU HAVE TAPE RECORDINGS OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS?>>NO, SIR. >>WELL, YOU’VE TAPED EVERYBODY ELSE.>>THAT’S ALSO NOT TRUE, SIR. THAT’S NOT TRUE. >>YOU HAVEN’T TAPED ANYBODY?>>I HAVE TAPED INDIVIDUALS.>>HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TAPED INDIVIDUALS?>>MAYBE 100 TIMES OVER TEN YEARS. >>IS THAT A LOW ESTIMATE? BECAUSE I’VE HEARD IT’S OVER 200 TIMES?>>NO, I THINK IT’S APPROXIMATELY 100, FROM WHAT I RECALL. YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION, SIR. >>DO YOU HAVE PROOF, YES OR NO — >>I DO. >>WHERE IS THE PROOF?>>ASK MISS PATTON HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK ARE EXECUTIVES AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. THE ANSWER IS ZERO. >>MR. COHEN, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT HER ENTIRE STATEMENT BE PUT IN THE RECORD.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION.>>ALL RIGHT. LET ME GO ON A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. DID YOU COLLECT $1.2 MILLION OR SO FROM NOVARTIS. >>I DID. >>FOR ACCESS TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>NO, SIR.>>WHY DID YOU COLLECT IT?>>BECAUSE THEY CAME TO ME BASED UPON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENIGMA, DONALD TRUMP, WHAT HE THINKS — >>SO — >>SIR, PLEASE LET ME FINISH. >>NO. DID THEY PAY YOU $1.2 MILLION –>>WE’VE ALREADY SAID THIS — >>FOR ADVICE?>>YES, THEY DID. A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CONGLOMERATE CAME TO ME LOOKING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SOMETHING THAT’S UNUSUAL HERE IN D.C., LOOKING FOR INFORMATION, AND THEY BELIEVE I HAD A VALUE. >>SO HOW MANY TIMES — >>VALUE WAS THE INSIGHT THAT I WAS CAPABLE OF OFFERING THEM. >>HOW MANY TIMES — >>AND THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM? FOR $1.2 MILLION, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM?>>I PROVIDED THEM WITH BOTH IN-PERSON AS WELL AS TELEPHONE ACCESS WHENEVER THEY NEEDED IT. >>HOW MANY TIMES — THAT’S A QUESTION, MR. COHEN. >>I DON’T RECALL, SIR. >>SO DID YOU EVER TALK TO THEM?>>I SPOKE TO THEM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, YES. >>HOW MANY?>>SIX TIMES.>>SIX TIMES. WOW. $200,000 A CALL.>>SIR, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO — >>HOLD ON. >>I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION THE CONTRACT. >>THIS IS MY TIME, NOT YOURS. DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THE BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN?>>IT’S NOT A BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN. IT’S CALLED BTA.>>BTA BANK. DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THEM?>>I DID. >>FOR WHAT PURPOSE?>>THE PURPOSE WAS BECAUSE THE FORMER CEO OF THAT BANK HAD ABSCONDED WITH OVER 4 TO $6 BILLION. AND SOME OF THE MONEY WAS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THEY SOUGHT MY ASSISTANCE IN TERMS OF FINDING — LOCATING THAT MONEY AND HELPING THEM TO RECOLLECT IT.>>SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL OF THE REPORTS THAT YOU WERE PAID IN SOME ESTIMATES OVER $4 MILLION TO HAVE ACCESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, YOU’RE SAYING ALL OF THAT WAS JUST PAID TO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE A NICE GUY.>>WELL, I AM A NICE GUY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY — >>I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER. THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT YOU’RE NOT A NICE GUY. >>SIR, EACH AND EVERY CONTRACT CONTAINED THE CLAUSE IN MY CONTRACTS THAT SAID I WILL NOT LOBBY, AND I DO NOT DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK. IN FACT — IN FACT, NOVARTIS SENT ME THEIR CONTRACT, WHICH STATED SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY WANTED ME TO LOBBY, THAT THEY WANTED ME TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT. THAT INFORMATION, THAT PARAGRAPH, WAS CROSSED OUT BY ME, INITIALED AND WRITTEN IN MY OWN HANDWRITING. IT SAYS, I WILL NOT LOBBY OR DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK.>>SO NOVARTIS REPRESENTATIVES SAY THAT IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE HIRING A NONREGISTERED LOBBYIST, SO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY SAID, SIR. BUT THE CONTRACT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. >>HAVE YOU EVER CONTACTED ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION?>>YES.>>TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF ANY ASPECT OF ANY OF YOUR CONTRACTS? I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS — [ BANGING GAVEL ] THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO, SIR.>>MR. CHAIRMAN — >>MR. CLAY — >>MR. CHAIRMAN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, I’M PLEASED YOU AGREED TO TESTIFY TODAY VOLUNTARILY. IN MY VIEW, WE ARE ALL HERE FOR JUST ONE REASON. AND THAT’S THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO. THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S CHILDREN, THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES. AND IT PAINS ME TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN EVEN LIED TO BY HIS CONGRESSIONAL ENABLERS WHO ARE STILL DEVOTED TO PERPETUATING AND PROTECTING THIS GIANT CON GAME ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOW, MR. COHEN, I’D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS. SINCE, BY LAW, THESE MUST BE REPORTED ACCURATELY ON ITS FEDERAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, AND WHEN HE SUBMITS THEM FOR A BANK LOAN. MR. COHEN, YOU SERVED FOR NEARLY A DECADE AS THEN BUSINESSMAN TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND SO-CALLED FIXER. DID YOU ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS AND HOW HE VALUED THOSE ITEMS?>>YES.>>IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, CRANE’S NEW YORK BUSINESS REPORTED THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION PROVIDED, QUOTE, FLAGRANTLY UNTRUE REVENUE FIGURES GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2010 TO INFLUENCE CRANE’S RANKING OF THE LARGEST PRIVATE COMPANIES IN NEW YORK. ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS, WHILE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION REPORTED NEARLY $9.5 BILLION IN REVENUES IN 2016, PUBLIC FILINGS SUGGEST THAT REVENUES WERE ACTUALLY LESS THAN ONE TENTH OF THAT. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT OR HIS COMPANY EVER INFLATE ASSETS OR REVENUES?>>YES.>>AND WAS THAT DONE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OR DIRECTION?>>EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND AT THE DIRECTION OF MR. TRUMP.>>TELL US WHY HE WOULD DO THAT AND WHAT PURPOSE DID IT SERVE.>>IT DEPENDS UPON THE SITUATION. THERE WERE TIMES THAT I WAS ASKED, AGAIN, WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG, THE CFO, TO GO BACK AND TO SPEAK WITH AN INDIVIDUAL FROM FORBES, BECAUSE MR. TRUMP WANTED EACH YEAR TO HAVE HIS NET WORTH RISE ON THE FORBES WEALTHIEST INDIVIDUALS LIST. AND SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LOOK AT THE ASSETS AND YOU TRY TO FIND AN ASSET THAT HAS, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, 40 WALL STREET, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET. FIND AN ASSET THAT IS COMPARABLE, FIND THE HIGHEST PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT THAT’S ACHIEVED IN THE AREA AND APPLY IT TO THAT BUILDING. OR IF YOU’RE GOING OFF OF YOUR RANK ROLL, GO BY THE GROSS RENT ROLL, TIMES A MULTIPLE, AND YOU MAKE UP THE MULTIPLE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT. AND IT’S BASED UPON WHAT HE WANTED TO VALUE THE ASSET AT.>>YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF THE PRESIDENT’S FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OR PARTS OF THEM FROM 2011, 2012 AND ’13. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THOSE FOR THE RECORD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE STATEMENTS TO THE RECORD. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. >>THANK YOU. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAD THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND WHAT YOU USED THEM FOR?>>SO THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WERE USED BY ME FOR TWO PURPOSES. ONE WAS DISCUSSING WITH MEDIA, WHETHER IT WAS “FORBES” OR OTHER MAGAZINES TO DEMONSTRATE MR. TRUMP’S SIGNIFICANT NET WORTH. THAT WAS ONE FUNCTION. ANOTHER WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING LATER ON WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES. WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE COPIES SO THAT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREMIUM, WHICH IS BASED SOMETIMES UPON THE INDIVIDUAL’S CAPABILITIES TO PAY, WOULD BE REDUCED.>>AND ALL OF THIS WAS DONE AT THE PRESIDENT’S DIRECTION AND WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE?>>YES. BECAUSE WHATEVER THE NUMBERS WOULD COME BACK TO BE, WE IMMEDIATELY REPORTED BACK. >>AND DID THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US INFLATE THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS?>>I BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS ARE INFLATED.>>AND, OF COURSE, INVITING — INFLATING ASSETS TO WIN A NEWSPAPER POLL TO BOOST YOUR EGO IS NOT A CRIME. BUT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED ASSETS TO A BANK IN ORDER TO HELP HIM OBTAIN A LOAN?>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED, BUT YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>THESE DOCUMENTS AND OTHERS WERE PROVIDED TO DEUTSCHE BANK IN ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS WITH THEM IN OUR ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN MONEY SO THAT WE CAN PUT A BID ON THE BUFFALO BILLS.>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.>>MR. HICE OF GEORGIA. >>I YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA. >>I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. I WANT TO ASK ANONYMOUS CONSENT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD MR. COHEN’S PROMISED ACCESS, NOT JUST MR. TRUMP, HIS CIRCLE AROUND HIM, IT WAS ALMOST AS IF WE WERE HIRING A LOBBYIST, CLOSED QUOTE. I ASK ANONYMOUS CONSENT. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>I ASK ANONYMOUS CONSENT WE PUT INTO THE RECORD A CRIMINAL REFERRAL FOR VIOLATING SECTION 22 USC OF THE STATUTE NUMBER 611. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT MY LETTER REFERRING MR. COHEN FOR VIOLATING FARA FOR VIOLATING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY BE PUT INTO THE RECORD. I ASK FOR US LOOK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY AT THE CRIMINAL REFERRALS AT THE NEXT BUSINESS MEETING.>>THESE ARE NOT DOCUMENTS. THEY’RE OBJECTIONS THEY’RE OBJECTIONS.>>SO WE’RE OBJECTING TO A UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST? IS THAT WHAT — MR. CHAIRMAN?>>MR. HICE. >>I’LL TAKE CARE OF HICE, DON’T WORRY. >>I WILL YIELD BACK.>>LET ME BE CLEAR. MR. HICE, I’M GOING GIVE YOU YOUR WHOLE FIVE MINUTES, ALL RIGHT?>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>ALL RIGHT?>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>AND MR. MEADOWS, I — THE CHAIRMAN MAY — THE RANKING MEMBER MAY BE AWARE THAT I HAD GIVEN A LITTLE MORE TIME TO MISS WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ. I WAS GOING TO LET YOU DO THAT ANYWAY. BUT I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY MEMBERS, I’M GOING TO BE STRICT ON THIS FIVE MINUTES, ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HICE, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE LIED BUT YOU’RE NOT A LIAR, JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. IF YOU LIED, YOU ARE A LIAR, BY DEFINITION. YOU ALSO SAID A MOMENT AGO THE FACTS ARE INACCURATE. IF THEY’RE FACTS, THEY ARE ACCURATE AND THAT WOULD MAKE YOU INACCURATE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO — I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO YOU CONSULTED WITH TO PREPARE FOR TODAY’S HEARING. LANNY DAVIS AND WHO ELSE?>>I CONSULTED WITH MY COUNSEL, LANNY DAVIS, AS WELL AS MICHAEL MONACO. >>ALL RIGHT. DID YOU OR MICHAEL OR LANNY DAVIS OR ANYONE ELSE COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING?>>I’M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE.>>DID YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON YOUR TEAM COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IN PREPARING FOR THIS HEARING?>>WE’VE SPOKEN TO THE PARTY.>>OKAY. DID YOU PREPARE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS OR ANYONE ON YOUR TEAM?>>I’M SORRY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PREPARE?>>PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING.>>PREPARE? I PREPARED WITH MY COUNSEL.>>DID YOU PREPARE WITH THE DEMOCRAT MAJORITY OR CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS?>>WE SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AND THE PARTY. >>WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF?>>SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND HIS — AND HIS PEOPLE, AS WELL.>>WERE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS A LIAISON FOR YOU WITH THE MAJORITY PARTY?>>I’M SORRY, SIR. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?>>DID YOU HAVE A LIAISON OTHER THAN THESE — THAT YOU’VE MENTIONED WHO WERE WORKING WITH THE MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING?>>WE SPOKE WITH THE VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU JUST RAISED, YES.>>TOM STEYER. REGARDING HIM OR ANY OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES, ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM. IS HE OR ANY OF THEM PAYING LANNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU?>>NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF. >>WHO IS PAYING LANNY DAVIS?>>AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, NO ONE.>>SO HE’S DOING ALL THIS WORK FOR NOTHING.>>YES, SIR.>>OKAY.>>AND I HOPE SO.>>I KIND OF DOUBT IT. BUT — HOW DID LANNY DAVIS COME TO REPRESENT YOU? DID HE APPROACH YOU OR DID YOU APPROACH HIM?>>I REACHED OUT TO LANNY DAVIS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF MY FORMER COUNSEL OVER AT — McDERMOTT, WILL AND EMORY, WHO KNEW MR. DAVIS.>>SO YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. DAVIS.>>I DID, YES. INITIALLY.>>OKAY. SO DID YOU WANT TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS, OR DID HE URGE YOU TO TESTIFY HERE?>>I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE. AND I AM HERE, SIR, VOLUNTARILY, BECAUSE IT’S MY — >>YOU WERE ASKED BY WHO? MY QUESTION, DID HE ASK YOU TO COME HERE?>>NO, SIR.>>OKAY. BECAUSE — HE SAYS THAT HE DID ASK YOU TO COME HERE, AND THAT HE CONVINCED YOU, AND ALSO THAT HE DID THE SAME WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, AS WELL. SO YOUR TESTIMONY HERE IS THAT YOU APPROACHED LANNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU AND TO COME HERE. HE DID NOT PERSUADE YOU TO COME HERE.>>HE DID NOT PERSUADE ME. ACTUALLY, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, WHICH IS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ENGAGED IN WITH HIS PEOPLE, AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND OTHERS, THEY — WE SPOKE IN ORDER TO ASK ME TO COME HERE, VOLUNTARILY.>>I FIND THE CONNECTING OF THE DOTS HERE WITH MR. DAVIS AND YOU AND, FRANKLY, THE CHAIRMAN AND PERHAPS OTHERS TO BE RATHER STUNNING. THAT THERE IS AN AGENDA FOR ALL THIS HAPPENING HERE TODAY. AND I BELIEVE, FRANKLY, THAT’S TO BRING THE PRESIDENT DOWN, TO IMPUGN THE PRESIDENT. YOU MADE AN OATH LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, AND THAT OATH MEANT NOTHING TO YOU THEN. WE HAD AN OATH HERE IN THIS VERY ROOM ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND IT WAS, QUOTE, BE CLEAR THAT I WILL SEEK THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP ME GOD, END QUOTE. THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OATH TO ME. THE CHAIRMAN MADE THAT STATEMENT. IN THIS VERY ROOM. LAST MONTH. BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY, OUR FIRST BIG HEARING, WITH, AS YOU — AND WE ALL KNOW, A CONVICTED LIAR, LYING TO CONGRESS, A CRIMINAL. AND I BELIEVE THIS WITNESS IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE STATED GOAL OF HAVING TO SEEK THE TRUTH IN THIS HEARING. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF CONGRESS WE HAVE SOMEONE TESTIFYING HERE WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS. SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR BEING THE FIRST IN CONGRESS TO DO THAT. AND MR. CUMMINGS, AS WELL.>>THANK YOU. >>I CAN’T BELIEVE WE ARE COMING — WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS COMMITTEE TO ITS KNEES IN TERMS OF LOSING ITS CREDIBILITY. AND IT’S A SHAMEFUL MOCKERY OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. I YIELD BACK. [ BANGING GAVEL ]>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. LYNCH. >>LET ME PICK UP ON THOSE LAST COMMENTS. WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOW POINT. HOW ABOUT MR. PAPADOPOULOS PLED GUILTY. MR. MANAFORT CONVICTED, PLED GUILTY TO TWO OTHER CHARGES, MR. GATES PLED GUILTY. MR. FLYNN PLED GUILTY. MR. PIN ATO PLED GUILTY. MR. VANDERSWAN PLED GUILTY. MR.IN DIM NICK INDICTED FOR INJUSTICE. AND MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE REFUSE TO BRING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE UP FOR THE COMMITTEE. SO TODAY FOR FIRST DAY WE HAVE ONE WITNESS WHO VOLUNTARILY IS COMING FORWARD TO TESTIFY. YOUR SIDE RAN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. AND WE’RE TRYING TO BRING IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO — MR. COHEN — >>SIR. >>FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTARILY COMING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS REGARDING TRUMP TOWER AND MOSCOW. AND I WANT TO DRILL DOWN SOME OF THE FACTS AND DETAILS. NOW, YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT, BUT THIS GOES BACK A WAYS. BACK IN 1987, MR. TRUMP WROTE THAT HE HAD HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOVIET OFFICIALS BACK THEN TO BUILD A LUXURY — LARGE LUXURY HOTEL ACROSS FROM THE KREMLIN. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOVIET UNION. SO AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE SOVIET UNION. I WANT TO ASK YOU, IN YOUR FILING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER’S OFFICE, THE PROSECUTORS WROTE, AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN DISCUSSED THE STATUS AND PROGRESS OF THE MOSCOW PROJECT WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE ON MORE THAN THREE OCCASIONS MR. COHEN CLAIMED TO THE COMMITTEE. AND HE BRIEFED FAMILY MEMBERS OF INDIVIDUAL ONE WITH THE COMPANY ABOUT THE PROJECT. I KNOW THIS IS REDUNDANT. BUT MR. COHEN, WHO ARE WE REFERRING TO HERE WHEN WE REFER TO INDIVIDUAL ONE?>>DONALD J. TRUMP. >>OKAY. AND THE COMPANY?>>THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.>>OKAY.>>THROUGH A SUBSIDIARY.>>OKAY. AND WHO WERE THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT YOU BRIEFED ON THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT?>>OF DON TRUMP JR. AND IVANKA TRUMP. >>OKAY. NOW. WERE THESE IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS, OR DID THE PRESIDENT OR FAMILY REQUEST THE BRIEFINGS?>>THIS IS IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS. >>DO YOU RECALL — THERE IS A QUESTION ON THE NUMBER OF BRIEFINGS. DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN?>>I’M SORRY, SIR?>>DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY BRIEFINGS THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN?>>APPROXIMATELY TEN. >>OKAY.>>IN TOTAL.>>ALL RIGHT. IN YOUR WRITTEN REMARKS, YOU ALSO WROTE, AND I QUOTE, THERE ARE AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN JANUARY 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE WHEN MR. TRUMP WOULD ASK ME, HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA, REFERRING TO THE RUSSIA MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT. HOW DID THE PRESIDENT COMMUNICATE THOSE QUESTIONS TO YOU? WAS IT VERBALLY OR OVER THE PHONE?>>VERBALLY, MOST OF THE TIME. OR VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE TIME. IT WOULD — HE WOULD SAY TO ME, MICHAEL — HE WAS HEADING TO A RALLY OR TO A CAR AND AS I WOULD WALK HIM TO THE ELEVATOR, HE WOULD ASK ME QUESTIONS QUICKLY REGARDING A SERIES OF — ISSUES.>>COULD IT COULD BE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT IN RUSSIA?>>NO, THIS WOULD BE IT.>>OKAY. >>OTHERWISE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON TO ASK OF IT ME. >>RIGHT. YOU ALSO WROTE, AND I QUOTE, TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. CLOSE QUOTE. HOW DID THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY DIRECT THE NEGOTIATIONS?>>AFTER EACH — >>WHAT DETAILS DID HE DIRECT?>>WELL, AFTER EACH COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD, I WOULD REPORT BACK TO HIM, AND OUR GOAL WAS TO GET THIS PROJECT. WE WERE INTERESTED IN BUILDING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LARGEST BUILDING IN ALL OF EUROPE. SIR, I — JUST IF I CAN SAY ONE LAST THING — >>PLEASE, GO AHEAD. >>– IN REGARD TO THE GENTLEMAN’S STATEMENTS, THIS IS ON TOPIC. THE LIES THAT I TOLD TO CONGRESS, IN FAIRNESS, BENEFITED MR. TRUMP. IT WAS IN FURTHERANCE OF MY PROTECTION OF MR. TRUMP. WHICH I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. AND I AM NOT PROTECTING MR. TRUMP ANY MORE. AND SO WHILE I TRULY APPRECIATE TAKING SOME OF YOUR TIME ON TO IT, TO ATTACK ME EVERY SINGLE TIME ABOUT TAXES, I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, IT’S FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON THAT I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES IN ORDER TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I DON’T WANT YOU TO. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS — >>MR. COHEN — >>I WANT YOU TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.>>I NEED MY LAST TIME. >>I’M SORRY, SIR. >>THAT’S OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY, I DON’T THINK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE AFRAID THAT YOU’RE GOING TO LIE. I THINK THEY’RE AFRAID YOU’RE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH. >>THANK YOU, SIR. >>I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GOSAR. >>THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO IS RECOGNIZED. >>I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO MR. LYNCH. I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A FEDERAL AGENCY WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED. McCABE FIRED. FIRED, THREE TIMES UNDER OATH, UNDER INVESTIGATION, AS WE SPEAK. JIM BAKER, FBI COUNSEL, DEMOTED, LEFT CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION. LISA PAGE, DEMOTED AND LEFT. PETER STRZOK, HEAD OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, DEMOTED, THEN FIRED. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND TODAY WE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR ROD ROSENSTEIN — BY THE WAY, WE NOW KNOW THREE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US ROD ROSENSTEIN ACTUALLY WAS CONTEMPLATING USING THE 25th AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE GUY FROM PRESIDENCY WHO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PUT THERE. AND WE ASKED FOR HIM TO BE A WITNESS TODAY AND THE CHAIRMAN SAID NO. AND INSTEAD WE GET 30 MINUTES FROM A GUY WHO IS GOING TO PRISON, GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. MR. COHEN, I’VE GOT TWO QUICK QUESTIONS BEFORE I YIELD BACK TO MY COLLEAGUE. MR. HICE ASKED YOU WHO YOU TALKED TO. YOU SAID YOU SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF. OBVIOUSLY, YOU SPOKE TO MR. CUMMINGS. YOU’RE GOING IN FRONT OF BOTH COMMITTEES. MR. SCHIFF’S COMMITTEE TOMORROW. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO MR. NADLER OR ANY OF YOUR ATTORNEYS SPOKEN TO MR. NADLER?>>I DON’T KNOW ABOUT MY ATTORNEYS — >>YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOUR ATTORNEYS — >>I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO CONGRESSMAN NADLER, AND I’M NOT AWARE IF MY ATTORNEYS — I CAN ASK THEM.>>YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND ASK.>>THE ANSWER, SIR, IS NO.>>OKAY. AND YOU SAID AT THIS PRESENT TIME MR. DAVIS IS NOT GETTING PAID. DOES THAT — ARE YOU ANTICIPATING HIM RECEIVING SOME KIND OF COMPENSATION IN THE FUTURE?>>WHEN I START TO EARN A LIVING — >>HE’S GOING TO WAIT THREE YEARS? WOW. >>THE ANSWER IS YES. >>THAT’S A FIRST. I’VE NEVER KNOWN A LAWYER TO WAIT THREE YEARS TO GET PAID. >>I GUESS HE THINKS IT’S IMPORTANT.>>ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT I YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA. >>WELL, THANK YOU. MR. COHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE A DISGRACED LAWYER. I MEAN, YOU’VE BEEN DISBARRED. AND SO I’M SURE YOU REMEMBER — WELL, MAYBE YOU DON’T REMEMBER. DUTY OF LOYALTY. DUTY OF CONFIDENTIALITY. ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN OVER YOUR RIGHT SIDE ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT VERY, VERY WELL. AND WOULDN’T DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE TODAY. SO LET’S GO BACK AT THIS CREDIBILITY. YOU WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THINK OF YOU AS A REAL PHILANTHROPIC ICON, THAT YOU’RE ABOUT JUSTICE. THAT YOU’RE THE PERSON THAT SOMEBODY WOULD CALL AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. NO, THEY WOULDN’T. NOT AT ALL. YOU SAW MR. COHEN DISSECT YOU. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE, YOU CONFLICTED YOUR TESTIMONY, SIR. YOU’RE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. YOU DON’T KNOW TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.>>SIR, I’M SORRY. ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME OR THE PRESIDENT?>>HEY, THIS IS MY TIME!>>ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME, SIR, OR THE PRESIDENT?>>WHEN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, I’LL ASK FOR AN ANSWER. >>SURE. >>NOW, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH RULE 35 OF THE FEDERAL RULES IN CRIMINAL PROCEDURES?>>I AM NOW.>>OH. THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS YOU’VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THIS OTHER DISTRICT IN NEW YORK. IS THAT TRUE?>>I AM IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK REGARDING ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. >>AND PART OF THAT APPLICATION IS TO REDUCE SENTENCING TIME, IS IT NOT?>>THERE IS A POSSIBILITY — >>YES. THE ANSWER IS YES. >>NO, IT’S NOT, SIR. >>YES, IT IS.>>OKAY. IT’S NOT. >>AND SO TESTIMONY HERE COULD ACTUALLY HELP YOU OUT IN GETTING YOUR SENTENCE LESSENED, ISN’T THAT TRUE?>>I’M NOT REALLY SURE HOW MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY IS PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CAN USE FOR THE CREATION OF A CASE. NOW, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP CAN DO FOR ME, I WOULD GLADLY WELCOME IT.>>WELL, I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU. YOU KNOW, AMERICA IS WATCHING YOU. I’VE BEEN GETTING TEXTS RIGHT AND LEFT SAYING HOW CAN ANYBODY LISTEN TO THIS PATHOLOGICAL PERSON. HE’S GOT A PROBLEM. HE DOESN’T KNOW FACT FROM FICTION. AND THAT’S WHAT’S SAD HERE. IS THAT YOU DIDN’T DO THIS FOR DONALD TRUMP TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP. YOU DID IT FOR YOU. THIS IS — NO, THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU. THIS IS ALL ABOUT THIS TWITTER FEED AND — LET ME READ ONE OF THOSE. ANOTHER ONE. WOMEN WHO LOVE AND SUPPORT MICHAEL COHEN. STRONG. PITBULL. SEX SYMBOL. NO NONSENSE. BUSINESS ORIENTED AND READY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >>1,000 FOLLOWERS?>>READY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AGAINST THE LAW. THAT’S PRETTY SAD. YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO HAVE TRUST. IT’S BUILT ON THE PREMISE THAT WE’RE TRUTHFUL, THAT WE COME FORWARD. BUT THERE’S NO TRUTH WITH YOU WHATSOEVER. THAT’S WHY THAT’S IMPORTANT TO YOU. THE LOOK UP HERE AND LOOK AT THE OLD ADAGE THAT OUR MOMS TAUGHT US. LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE. NO ONE SHOULD EVER LISTEN TO YOU AND GIVE YOU CREDIBILITY. IT’S SAD. IT’S SAD THAT WE HAVE COME — IN FACT, I WANT TO QUOTE THE CHAIRMAN’S VERY WORDS. THIS IS A REAL — HOLD ON. [ BANGING GAVEL ]>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME IS EXPIRED. >>SAD STATE.>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME IS EXPIRED. MR. CO-OPER. >>MR. COHEN, SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU STATE THE BAD THINGS THAT YOU DID FOR MR. TRUMP. AND AT SOME POINT, YOU APPARENTLY CHANGED YOUR COURSE OF ACTION. THERE’S A RECURRING REFRAIN IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT SAYS, AND YET I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU CHANGED. WHAT WAS THE BREAKING POINT AT WHICH YOU DECIDED TO START TELLING THE TRUTH?>>THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS. HELSINKI. CHARLOTTESVILLE. WATCHING THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER. PUTTING UP SILLY THINGS LIKE THIS.>>OH, THAT’S SILLY. >>REALLY UNBECOMING OF CONGRESS. IT’S THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOR THAT I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR. I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SILLINESS, BECAUSE I DID THE SAME THING THAT YOU’RE DOING NOW. FOR TEN YEARS. I PROTECTED MR. TRUMP FOR TEN YEARS. AND THE FACT THAT YOU PULL UP A NEWS ARTICLE THAT HAS NO VALUE TO IT, AND YOU WANT TO USE THAT AS THE PREMISE FOR DISCREDITING ME, THAT I’M NOT THE PERSON THAT PEOPLE CALLED AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WOULD MAKE YOU INACCURATE. IN ACTUALITY, IT WOULD MAKE YOU A LIAR. WHICH PUTS YOU INTO THE SAME POSITION THAT I AM IN. AND I CAN ONLY WARN PEOPLE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW MR. TRUMP, AS I DID BLINDLY, ARE GOING TO SUFFER THE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT I’M SUFFERING.>>WHAT WARNING WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE TEMPTED, AS YOU WERE? WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO WAIT TEN YEARS TO SEE THE LIGHT? WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE, IN PARTICULAR YOUNG LAWYERS, SO THEY DO NOT ABUSE THEIR BAR LICENSE, AS YOU DID?>>LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENED TO ME. I HAD A WONDERFUL LIFE. I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WIFE, I HAVE TWO AMAZING CHILDREN. I ACHIEVED FINANCIAL SUCCESS BY THE AGE OF 39. I DIDN’T GO TO WORK FOR MR. TRUMP BECAUSE I HAD TO. I WENT TO WORK FOR HIM BECAUSE I WANTED TO. AND I HAVE LOST IT ALL. SO IF I’M NOT A PICTURE-PERFECT — THAT’S THE PICTURE THAT SHOULD BE UP THERE. IF I’M NOT A PICTURE-PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO, THAT’S THE EXAMPLE THAT I’M TRYING TO SET FOR MY CHILDREN. YOU MAKE MISTAKES IN LIFE. AND I’VE OWNED THEM, AND I’VE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM. AND I’M PAYING A HUGE PRICE, AS IS MY FAMILY. SO IF THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ISN’T ENOUGH TO DISSUADE SOMEBODY FROM ACTING IN THE CALLOUS MANNER THAT I DID, I’M NOT SURE THAT THAT PERSON HAS ANY — ANY CHANCE, VERY MUCH LIKE I’M IN RIGHT NOW.>>A RECURRING THEME IN YOUR TESTIMONY IS CONCERN FOR YOUR FAMILY’S SAFETY. WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU MOST CONCERNED ABOUT?>>WELL, THE PRESIDENT, UNLIKE MY COHEN FOR TRUMP THOUSAND FOLLOWERS, HE’S GOT OVER 60 MILLION PEOPLE. AND WHEN MR. TRUMP TURNED AROUND EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN AND SAID, I CAN SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE AND GET AWAY WITH IT, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. HE’S NOT JOKING. HE’S TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. YOU SEE, YOU DON’T KNOW HIM. I DO. I SAT NEXT TO THIS MAN FOR TEN YEARS. AND I WATCHED HIS BACK. I’M THE ONE WHO STARTED THE CAMPAIGN. AND I’M THE ONE WHO CONTINUED IN 2015 TO PROMOTE HIM. AND SO MANY THINGS I THOUGHT THAT HE CAN DO THAT ARE JUST GREAT. AND HE CAN, AND HE IS DOING THINGS THAT ARE GREAT. BUT THIS DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER, IT’S OUT OF CONTROL. AND WHEN HE GOES ON TO TWITTER AND BRINGS IN MY PARENTS, MY IN-LAWS, MY WIFE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? HE’S SENDING OUT THE SAME MESSAGE THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. THIS IS HIS COUNTRY. IT’S BECOMING AN AUTOCRAT. AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO ME OR MY CHILDREN OR MY WIFE SO THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE AND TESTIFY. THAT’S WHAT HIS HOPE WAS. IT WAS TO INTIMIDATE ME. AND, AGAIN, I THANKED EVERYBODY WHO JOINED AND SAID THAT THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT.>>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MR. TRUMP PERSONALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM?>>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS.>>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT?>>I’M NOT SO SURE HE HAD TO HIRE THEM. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYBODY’S JOB AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. [ BANGING GAVEL ] [ BANGING GAVEL ]>>LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE’LL COME TO ORDER. MR. COHEN, I WANT TO FINALIZE THIS ISSUE RELATING TO YOUR TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM. THE FORM REQUIRES YOU TO LIST YOUR CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS ORIGINATING FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. NOT FROM ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES. WE SAID WE WOULD GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO CONSULT WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS. HAVE YOU DONE THAT, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION?>>MY FOUR ATTORNEYS CONTINUE TO BELIEVE, AS THEY DID BEFORE, THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM, WHICH I WAS GIVEN AND SIGNED JUST RIGHT BEFORE THIS HEARING, AND WHICH REQUIRES DISCLOSURE OF ANY CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS DID NOT APPLY TO MY WORK FOR BTA BANK, WHICH IS KAZ ACK-OWNED ENTITY. THEY ADVISED THAT HAD ENTITIES BEEN INTENDED FOR DISCLOSURE, THAT WORD WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE DISCLOSURE DEFINITION. HOWEVER, IF THE COMMITTEE’S COUNSEL HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW THAT I SHOULD DISCLOSE MY CONTRACT WITH BTA BANK, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.>>ALL RIGHT. NOW — >>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>I’M — LET ME FINISH. >>SURE.>>I WANT TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY. YOU ARE — YOU SOUGHT THE ADVICE OF YOUR COUNSEL, IS THAT RIGHT?>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>AND YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED YOU TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IS THAT RIGHT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>AND YOU KNOW THAT TO BE THE TRUTH, IS THAT RIGHT?>>YES, SIR. >>I WOULD YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN.>>I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR HIS COURTESY. MR. CHAIRMAN, INSTEAD OF MAKING POINTS OF ORDER AND GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, PERHAPS A WAY TO SOLVE THIS IS FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO REQUEST MR. COHEN GIVE TO THIS COMMITTEE ALL THE FOREIGN PAYMENTS THAT HE HAS RECEIVED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHETHER THEY’RE AN ENTITY OR A GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE STRONG BELIEF, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE’S OVER $900,000 THAT CAME FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF KAZAKHSTAN ON BEHALF OF MR. COHEN. AND IT IS EITHER THE TRUTH OR THE WHOLE TRUTH OR NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. AND THE RULES, MR. CHAIRMAN, REALLY LOOK AT FOREIGN PAYMENTS THAT COME FROM OR WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS. AND THE BANK HE’S TALKING ABOUT IS OWNED 81% BY THE KAZAKHSTAN GOVERNMENT. >>RECLAIMING MY TIME. RECLAIMING MY TIME. AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WHAT I WILL TAKE — FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BE CLEAR. I SAID TO MR. COHEN THAT IF HE CAME IN HERE AND LIED, I WOULD NAIL HIM TO THE CROSS. DIDN’T I? TELL YOU THAT?>>YES, YOU DID. MORE THAN ONCE.>>ALL RIGHT. SO IF THERE IS ANY AMBIGUITY, I WANT THAT TO BE CLEARED UP. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN WORKING WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT IS STRAIGHTENED OUT. BECAUSE I DON’T WANT IT TO BE A THING WHERE HE THINKS ONE THING, WE THINK ONE THING AND WE CAN CLEAR THAT UP, RIGHT?>>YES, SIR. >>WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING. >>JUST ON THAT SUBJECT, MR. CHAIRMAN. I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT IT JUST TO THE BTA BANK, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT KOREA AIR SPACE INDUSTRIES, ONE OF HIS OTHER CLIENTS. HE HOPE HE AND HIS ATTORNEYS LOOK AT ALL THOSE AND WE GET IT EXACTLY RIGHT.>>RECLAIMING MY TIME. WE WILL TAKE THAT, CERTAINLY, UNDER ADVISEMENT. I AM A MAN OF MY WORD. WE WILL DO — WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO COME UP WITH THAT. I DON’T THINK THAT IT’S AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. MR. GHANA. HELLO? YES.>>MR. COHEN, I WANT TO FOCUS MY QUESTIONS ON THE SMOKING GUN DOCUMENT YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE. THIS DOCUMENT IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF FEDERAL AND STATE CRIMES, INCLUDING FINANCIAL FRAUD. YOU PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE WITH A CHECK FROM PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP’S REVOKABLE TRUST ACCOUNT, WHICH IS MARKED AS EXHIBIT 5B. IT IS A CHECK FOR $35,000, AND IT IS DATED MARCH 17th, 2017, AFTER THE PRESIDENT TOOK OFFICE. IT’S RIGHT NOW ON THE SCREEN. DO YOU SEE IT, SIR?>>YES, SIR.>>TO BE CLEAR, THE TRUMP REVOKABLE TRUST IS THE TRUST THE PRESIDENT SET UP TO HOLD HIS ASSETS AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT. IS THAT CORRECT?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE PAID FROM THE TRUST AS OPPOSED TO THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ACCOUNT?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.>>DID YOU THINK IT WAS ODD THAT HE PAID YOU ONCE FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AND THEN HE’S PAYING YOU THROUGH THE SCHEME OF A TRUST?>>I’LL BE HONEST. I WAS JUST HAPPY TO GET THE CHECK.>>TODAY YOU TESTIFIED THAT THE CHECK WAS SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION CFO ALLEN WEISSELBERG, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT. >>ACCORDING TO THE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST YOU, YOU SENT MONTHLY INVOICES CONTAINING FALSE INFORMATION TO AN INDIVIDUAL IDENTIFIED AS EXECUTIVE ONE. WEISSELBERG IS EXECUTIVE ONE, CORRECT?>>YES. >>THE CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST YOU THEN STATES THAT EXECUTIVE ONE FORWARDED YOUR INVOICE TO SOMEONE REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIVE TWO, PRESUMABLY DONALD TRUMP JR., WHO IS SIGNING THIS CHECK AS EXECUTIVE TWO. CORRECT?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS LAID OUT IN THEIR CRIMINAL CHARGES, PAYMENTS LIKE THIS CHECK RESULTED IN NUMEROUS FALSE STATEMENTS IN THE BOOKS AND RECORDS OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. AND IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS. NOTHING TO DO WITH COLLUSION. THIS IS FINANCIAL FRAUD, GARDEN VARIETY FINANCIAL FRAUD. IT WAS DISGUISED AS A PAYMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES TO YOU. BUT THIS WAS NOT A PAYMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES, WAS IT, MR. COHEN?>>NO, SIR.>>IT COULD GIVE RISE TO SERIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL CRIMINAL LIABILITY IF A CORPORATION IS COOKING ITS BOOKS. BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG DIRECTED THIS PAYMENT TO YOU AND APPROVED THIS PAYMENT, IS THAT RIGHT?>>MR. TRUMP INITIALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE OBLIGATION, THE DEBT, MYSELF AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG WENT BACK TO HIS OFFICE, AND I WAS INSTRUCTED BY ALLEN AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS OVER 12 INSTALLMENTS. AND WHAT HE DECIDED TO DO THEN WAS TO HAVE ME SEND AN INVOICE, IN WHICH CASE THEY CAN HAVE A CHECK CUT. AND THEN, YES, THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES TO YOUR FOLLOWUP QUESTION. >>AND DONALD TRUMP JR. OBVIOUSLY SIGNED OFF ON THIS. >>IT WOULD EITHER BE ERIC TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP JR. AND/ORAL AN WEISSELBERG. BUT ALWAYS ALLEN WEISSELBERG ON THE CHECK. >>AND YOU THINK THE EXECUTIVE WAS DONALD TRUMP JR. >>YES. >>YOU KNEW THAT THE PAYMENTS WERE FALSE AND ILLEGAL, CORRECT?>>I CAN MAKE THAT CONCLUSION.>>YOU TOLD REPRESENTATIVE KELLY THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS AWARE OF THIS SCHEME, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>I JUST WANT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLOSIVE NATURE OF YOUR TESTIMONY IN THIS DOCUMENT. ARE YOU TELLING US, MR. COHEN, THAT THE PRESIDENT DIRECTED TRANSACTIONS IN CONSPIRACY WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND HIS SON, DONALD TRUMP JR., AS PART OF A CIVIL/CRIMINAL — AS PART OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF FINANCIAL FRAUD? IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY?>>YES.>>AND DO YOU KNOW IF THIS CRIMINAL FINANCIAL SCHEME THAT THE PRESIDENT, ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND DONALD TRUMP JR. ARE INVOLVED IN IS BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK?>>I’D RATHER NOT DISCUSS THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE IT COULD BE PART OF INVESTIGATIONS CURRENTLY ONGOING. >>I JUST WANT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOLELY APART FROM BOB MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION, THERE IS GARDEN VARIETY FINANCIAL FRAUD, AND YOUR ALLEGATION AND THE EXPLOSIVE SMOKING GUN DOCUMENT SUGGESTS THAT THE PRESIDENT, HIS SON AND HIS CFO MAY BE INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, AND ISN’T THAT TRUE, MR. COHEN, THAT THIS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY THAT INVOLVED FOUR PEOPLE, THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON SO FAR WHO SUFFERED THE REPERCUSSIONS, AND THAT’S WHY YOU’RE IN JAIL?>>WILL BE GOING TO JAIL, YES. >>THE THREE OTHER PEOPLE, THOUGH, WHO WERE EQUALLY INVOLVED IN THIS CONSPIRACY.>>YES.>>IS THAT TRUE?>>IT IS TRUE.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I YIELD BACK MY TIME.>>GOMEZ.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. COHEN, I’M GOING TO TACKLE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS. DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN, YOU SAID YOU PERSONALLY WOULDN’T, QUOTE, ALLOW HIM TO RELEASE THOSE RETURNS UNTIL THE AUDITS ARE OVER. UNQUOTE. FOR THE RECORD, NOTHING PREVENTS INDIVIDUALS FROM SHARING THEIR OWN TAX RETURNS, EVEN WHILE UNDER AUDIT BY THE IRS. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS WERE REALLY UNDER AUDIT BY THE IRS IN 2016?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. I ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE AUDIT SO THAT I COULD USE IT IN TERMS OF MY STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS. AND I WAS NEVER ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE.>>OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIDE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS THAT HE REFUSED TO RELEASE?>>I DO NOT.>>CAN YOU GIVE US ANY INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE REAL REASON IS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?>>STATEMENTS THAT HE HAS SAID TO ME, THAT WHAT HE DIDN’T WANT WAS TO HAVE AN ENTIRE GROUP OF THINK TANKS THAT ARE TAX EXPERTS RUN THROUGH HIS TAX RETURN AND START RIPPING IT TO PIECES AND THEN HE’LL END UP IN AN AUDIT AND HE’LL ULTIMATELY HAVE TAXABLE CONSEQUENCES, PENALTIES AND SO ON.>>SO THAT’S AN INTERESTING POINT, THAT BASICALLY SAID HE DIDN’T WANT TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS, BECAUSE HE MIGHT END UP IN AN AUDIT. SO COULD YOU PRESUME FROM THAT STATEMENT THAT HE WASN’T UNDER AUDIT?>>I PRESUME THAT HE’S NOT UNDER AUDIT.>>AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THIS UP, BECAUSE I’M ALSO THE ONLY DEMOCRAT ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT ALSO SERVES ON THE COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. IT’S THE CHIEF TAX WRITING COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. AND IT’S THE ONLY COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THAT HAS JURISDICTION TO REQUEST AN AMERICAN’S TAX RETURNS. AND THAT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. MY CONSTITUENTS NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE PRESIDENT HAS FINANCIAL TIES THAT ARE CAUSING HIM TO PROTECT HIS OWN BOTTOM LINE RATHER THAN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THIS COUNTRY. CAN HE BE BLACKMAILED BECAUSE OF HIS FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS VENTURES, INCLUDING BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS? AND I KNOW THE OPPOSITION — THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GOING TO ASK OR SAY IS THAT HE RELEASED HIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE’S OTHER THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM HIS TAXES. DO YOU KNOW — DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE CAN LEARN IN HIS TAX RETURNS IF WE ACTUALLY GOT OUR HANDS ON THEM?>>NO, I’VE ACTUALLY — I’VE SEEN THEM. I JUST HAVE NEVER GONE THROUGH THEM. THEY’RE QUITE LONG.>>QUITE LONG. ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO FIND IRONIC IS THE WAY THEY’RE KIND OF ATTACKING YOU AS TO UNDERMINE YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ONE OF THE WAYS, IS BY SAYING THAT YOU COMMITTED BANK FRAUD AND TAX EVASION. AND THE REASON WHY IS A BIG DEAL IS THAT IT REALLY GOES DOWN TO THE PERSON’S CHARACTER WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES. BUT YET THE REPUBLICAN MINORITY HAS NEVER ASKED TO SEE HIS TAXES. RIGHT? SOMETHING THAT FOR 40 YEARS DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE HAVE RELEASED THEIR TAX RETURNS TO PROVE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THEY DIDN’T HAVE FINANCIAL INTEREST THAT WOULD BE LEVERAGEABLE BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. THAT THIS MINORITY REFUSES TO ASK FOR HIS TAX RETURNS. I ALSO WANT TO KIND OF GO ON — I’M NOTICING A PATTERN. I’M NOTICING A PATTERN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND THOSE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE. SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER’S TEAM HAS INDICTED OR RECEIVED GUILTY PLEAS FROM 34 PEOPLE AND THREE COMPANIES THAT WE KNOW OF, THE LATEST BEING LONG-TERM TRUMP ADVISER ROGER STONE. THAT GROUP INCLUDES SIX FORMER TRUMP ADVISERS. IT APPEARS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS A FONDNESS FOR ENTRUSTING THOSE WHO WILL, ONE, LIE FOR HIM. TWO, BREAK THE LAW FOR HIM. THREE, CHEAT THE SYSTEM FOR HIM. ESSENTIALLY HE WANTS TO SURROUND HIMSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LIKE HIM. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT?>>FROM THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, IT APPEARS SO.>>MR. COHEN, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PRESIDENT. TO HIS CONDUCT. WHEN HE WENT TO HELSINKI AND HE BOWED BEFORE VLADIMIR PUTIN. AND NOBODY CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY HE ACTS THE WAY HE ACTS. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE WAY WE GET THOSE ANSWERS IS REALLY LOOKING AT EVERYBODY THAT SURROUNDS HIM, WHO HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, AND HIS TAX RETURNS. BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD BACK.>>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>THANK YOU — >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST. >>ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD.>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE READ INTO THE — FOR THE RECORD A TWEET FROM DR. DARRELL SCOTT, WHICH SAYS, MICHAEL COHEN ASKED, NO BEGGED ME REPEATEDLY TO ASK POTUS TO GIVE HIM A JOB IN THE ADMINISTRATION. HE IS STILL LYING UNDER OATH. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>I HAVE ONE MORE. FROM BOB DIETL. GETTING SICK WATCHING THESE HEARINGS. I KNOW MICHAEL COHEN PERSONALLY FOR MANY YEARS AND HE TOLD ME SEVERAL TIMES THAT HE WAS VERY ANGRY AND UPSET THAT HE DIDN’T GET A POST IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND THAT HE, QUOTE, WOULD DO — DO WHAT HE HAS TO DO NOW TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY, CLOSE QUOTE. I ASK THAT THAT BE — >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>I THANK YOU. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, TWO QUICK ONES.>>AND THEN IF WE’VE GOT OTHERS. WE’RE GOING TO DO YOU, MR. RANKING MEMBER AND THEN WE’LL DO THE OTHER ONES AT THE END. BECAUSE I HAVE SOME THINGS TOO THAT I WANT TO GET.>>I’LL ASK NONE CONSENT THAT AN ARTICLE IN “SALON” MAGAZINE WRITTEN BY STANLEY BRAND, FORMER HOUSE COUNSEL TO TIP O’NEILL, TITLE OF THE ARTICLE IS “OVERSIGHT CAN COMMITTEE SESSION WITH MICHAEL COHEN LOOKS LIKE AN ILLEGITIMATE SHOW HEARING.”>>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>A LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE CHAIRMAN REQUESTING THAT YOU CALL DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROD ROSENSTEIN TO TESTIFY AT THIS HEARING ALSO BE PART OF THE RECORD. >>ALL RIGHT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I RESPOND?>>JUST ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT? THE ARTICLE BY MR. BRENNAN?>>YES.>>I JUST WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ONE RIGHT AWAY. WE — WHEN WE SAW THAT ARTICLE, MR. RANKING MEMBER, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS INACCURATE. LET ME JUST — ON BASICS. I MEAN, THAT THE CASE IS THAT MR. BRAND’S VIEWS ARE DEFINITELY DISTINGUISHABLE FOR WHAT’S GOING ON HERE. AND SO WE GOT IRVIN B. NATHAN, FORMER GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE HOUSE FROM 2007 TO 2010 AND SAYS IN SHORT, THE COMMITTEE HAS AMPLE JURISDICTION AND RESPONSIBILITY TO HEAR AND CONSIDER THE UPCOMING VOLUNTARY TESTIMONY OF MR. COHEN. THAT’S DATED FEBRUARY 25th, 2019. AND I WANT TO ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. [ BANGING GAVEL ] WHERE ARE WE? MISS OCASIO-CORTEZ. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. COHEN, I WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY PICK UP ON SOME PREVIOUS LINES OF QUESTIONING BEFORE GETTING INTO MY OWN. SO I MAY GO QUICKLY TO GET IT IN IN FIVE MINUTES. FIRST MY COLLEAGUE FROM VERMONT ASKED YOU SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AMI, THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. AND IN THAT, YOU MENTIONED A TREASURE TROVE, A QUOTE, TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS IN DAVID PECKER’S OFFICE RELATING TO INFORMATION ASSEMBLED FROM ALL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL OPERATIONS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO POTENTIALLY HAD DAMAGING INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT. YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND WHO POSSESSED THEM. DOES THAT TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS STILL EXIST?>>I DON’T KNOW. I HAD ASKED DAVID PECKER FOR THEM.>>SO YOU WOULD SAY THE PERSON WHO KNOWS THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE DOCUMENTS WOULD BE DAVID PECKER. >>DAVID PECKER, BARRY LEVINE OR DYLAN HOWARD. >>OKAY, THANK YOU. SECONDLY, I WANT TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUE FROM MISSOURI ABOUT ACID INFLATION. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED ASSETS TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY?>>YES.>>WHO ELSE KNOWS THAT THE PRESIDENT DID THIS?>>ALLEN WEISSELBERG, RON LIEBERMAN AND MATTHEW CALAMARI. >>AND WHERE WOULD THE COMMITTEE FIND MORE INFORMATION ON THIS? DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW HIS FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND HIS TAX RETURNS IN ORDER TO COMPARE THEM?>>YES. AND YOU WOULD FIND IT AT THE TRUMP ORG. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE LAST THING HERE. THE TRUMP GOLF ORGANIZATION CURRENTLY HAS A GOLF COURSE IN MY HOME BOROUGH OF THE BRONX, TRUMP LINKS. I DRIVE PAST IT EVERY DAY GOING BETWEEN BRONX AND — GOING BETWEEN THE BRONX AND QUEENS. IN FACT, THE “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTED ON THE TRUMP LINKS BRONX COURSE IN AN ARTICLE TITLED “TAXPAYERS BUILT THIS GOLF COURSE AND TRUMP REAPS THE REWARDS.” MANY LEARNED THAT TAXPAYERS SPENT $127 MILLION TO BUILD TRUMP LINKS IN A, QUOTE, GENEROUS DEAL ALLOWING PRESIDENT TRUMP TO KEEP ALMOST EVERY DOLLAR THAT FLOWS IN ON A GOLF COURSE BUILT WITH PUBLIC FUNDS. AND THIS DOESN’T SEEM TO BE THE ONLY TIME THE PRESIDENT HAS BENEFITED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PUBLIC. MR. COHEN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR ASSERTION THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE IMPROPERLY DEVALUED HIS ASSETS TO AVOID PAYING TAXES. ACCORDING TO AN AUGUST 21st, 2016 REPORT BY THE “WASHINGTON POST,” WHILE THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED IN FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS THAT TRUMP NATIONAL GOLF CLUB IN JUPITER, FLORIDA, WAS WORTH MORE THAN $50 MILLION, HE HAD REPORTED OTHERWISE TO LOCAL TAX AUTHORITIES THAT THE COURSE WAS WORTH, QUOTE, NO MORE THAN $5 MILLION. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THIS SPECIFIC REPORT IS ACCURATE?>>IT’S IDENTICAL TO WHAT HE DID AT TRUMP NATIONAL GOLF CLUB AT BREYER CLIFF MANOR. >>TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WAS THE PRESIDENT INTERESTED IN REDUCING HIS LOCAL REAL ESTATE BILLS, TAX BILLS?>>YES. >>AND HOW DID HE DO THAT?>>WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DEFLATE THE VALUE OF THE ASSET AND THEN YOU PUT IN A REQUEST TO THE TAX DEPARTMENT FOR A DEDUCTION. >>THANK YOU. NOW, ON OCTOBER 2018, THE “NEW YORK TIMES” REVEALED THAT, QUOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP PARTICIPATED IN DUBIOUS TAX SCHEMES DURING THE 1990s, INCLUDING INSTANCES OF OUTRIGHT FRAUD THAT GREATLY INCREASED THE FORTUNE HE RECEIVED FROM HIS PARENTS. IT FURTHER STATED FROM MR. TRUMP, QUOTE, HE ALSO HELPED FORMULATE A STRATEGY TO UNDERVALUE HIS PARENTS’ REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS BY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TAX RETURNS, SHARPLY REDUCING HIS TAX BILL WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES WERE TRANSFERRED TO HIM AND HIS SIBLINGS. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THAT SPECIFIC REPORT IS ACCURATE?>>I DON’T. I WASN’T THERE IN 1990s.>>WHO WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS?>>ALLEN WEISSELBERG.>>AND WOULD IT HELP FOR THE COMMITTEE TO OBTAIN FEDERAL AND STATE TAX RETURNS FROM THE PRESIDENT AND HIS COMPANY TO ADDRESS THAT DISCREPANCY?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE CHAIR.>>MISS PRESSLEY.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ONE MORE TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE WAY IN WHICH YOU COMPORT YOURSELF. AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE THE MORE YOU SAY SOMETHING THE MORE TRUE IT IS. BUT, IN FACT, THIS COMMITTEE, THANKS TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND OUR DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, HAS BEEN DOING THE WORK OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE ALONE, WE LOOKED AT THE ISSUE OF MAKING ELECTION DAY A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, REDUCING DRUG PRICING, AND PURSUED SUBPOENAS TO REUNITE FAMILIES. AND JUST RECENTLY, BEFORE WE RETURNED HERE, TRIED TO PASS A UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK GUN BILL. SO WE ARE DOING THE BUSINESS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, INCLUDING TODAY. IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THE BEST SUNLIGHT — SUNLIGHT IS SAID TO BE THE BEST OF DISINFECTANTS. ELECTRIC LIGHT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT POLICEMAN. WELL, LET THERE BE LIGHT. BECAUSE THE POINT OF OVERSIGHT IS FOR US TO PURSUE THE TRUST, TO PURSUE THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TO UNDERSTAND IF LIES, DECEIT AND CORRUPTION ARE THREATENING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND INDEED OUR SAFETY. MR. CHAIRMAN, CHARITIES SHOULD NOT BE ABUSED AS PERSONAL PIGGY BANKS. IT’S BOTH AGAINST THE LAW AND EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO CHARITIES THAT PLAY BY THE RULES. A LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT WE HAVE NOT YET ADDRESSED, AND HAVE BEEN GLARINGLY ABSENT IN TACKLING IS THAT OF THE ABUSES OF THE TRUMP FOUNDATION. NOW, THE PRESIDENT’S CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AGREED TO DISSOLVE IN RESPONSE TO AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND LAWSUIT BY THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL FOUND WHAT IT CALLED, QUOTE, CLEAR AND REPEATED VIOLATIONS OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAW, INCLUDING, QUOTE, REPEATED AND WILLFUL SELF-DEALING BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. MY APOLOGIES. BY THE FOUNDATION. IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR OPENING STATEMENT CORRECTLY IN MID 2013, YOU ARRANGED FOR A STRAW PURCHASER TO BID $60,000 FOR A PORTRAIT OF DONALD TRUMP.EGO. >>HOW WAS IT PAID FOR?>>I BELIEVE IT WAS PAID FOR BY A CHECK FROM THE TRUST.>>AN ABUSE, AND, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN PURSUIT HERE, I THINK ULTIMATELY WE’RE DEMONSTRATING IT’S PATRIOTISM, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND JUST FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. DID THE STRAW PURCHASER PURCHASE THE PAINTING AND THEN THE FOUNDATION FUNDS REIMBURSE THE STRAW PURCHASER? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE MECHANICS OF THAT PAYMENT?>>I’M NOT INVOLVED WITH THE FOUNDATION. >>DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING?>>OH, YES. >>AND HOW DID YOU KNOW HE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING?>>BECAUSE HE TASKED ME TO FIND THE STRAW BIDDER TO ENSURE THAT HIS PAINTING, WHICH WAS GOING LAST IN THE AUCTION, WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF ANY OF THE PAINTINGS THAT HAD BEEN PUT ON THE AUCTION BLOCK FOR THE DAY.>>AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PAINTING?>>I BELIEVE IT’S IN ONE OF THE CLUBS. >>OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL IN MARCH 2014 MR. TRUMP AGAIN USED THE FOUNDATION TO PAY $10,000 FOR THE WINNING BID ON ANOTHER PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP THAT ENDED UP AS DÉCOR IN ONE OF HIS GOLF COURSES IN MIAMI. MR. COHEN, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT TRANSACTION?>>YES. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF THINK OTHER INSTANCES WHERE THE TRUMP FOUNDATION WAS USED TO BENEFIT THE TRUMP FAMILY?>>YES. >>COULD YOU ELABORATE?>>SO THERE WAS A CONTRACT THAT I ENDED UP CREATING ON MR. TRUMP’S BEHALF FOR — IT WAS A UKRAINIAN OLIGARCH BY THE NAME OF VICTOR PINCHUK AND IT WAS THAT MR. TRUMP WAS ASKED TO COME IN TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT WAS THE UKRAINIAN AMERICAN ECONOMIC FORUM. UNFORTUNATELY HE WASN’T ABLE TO GO, BUT I WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE 15 MINUTES BY SKYPE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A CAMERA VERY MUCH LIKE TELEVISION CAMERA, VERY MUCH LIKE THAT ONE, AND THEY WOULD TRANSLATE MR. TRUMP TO THE QUESTIONER AND THEN HE WOULD RESPOND BACK. I NEGOTIATED A FEE OF $150,000 FOR 15 MINUTES. I WAS DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP TO HAVE THE CONTRACT DONE IN THE NAME OF THE DONALD J. TRUMP FOUNDATION AS OPPOSED TO DONALD J. TRUMP FOR SERVICES RENDERED. >>THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ABUSES OF THE FOUNDATION THAT YOU YOU’D LIKE TO SHARE? AGAIN, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND AGAIN EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO CHARITIES THAT ARE PLAYING BY THE RULES.>>NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT IF I THINK OF ONE I’LL PASS IT ALONG.>>AND THEN FOR THE BALANCE OF MY TIME, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT SOMEONE COULD DENY RENTAL UNITS TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS, LEAD THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT, REFER TO THE DIASPORA AS SHITHOLE COUNTRIES AND REFER TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS AS FINE PEOPLE, HAVE A BLACK FRIEND AND STILL BE RACIST. >>YES. >>I AGREE. >>THE YOUNG LADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION. >>I DID. YES.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TWO UNANIMOUS CONSENT SINCE WE’RE FINISHING UP, BEFORE WE GET DONE, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND — >>OKAY. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I JUST WANT — >>YES, SIR.>>I WANTED TO GET TO MS. TLAIB AND THEN I WILL GET TO YOU. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU, FOR CENTERING THIS COMMITTEE ON OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS EXPOSING THE TRUTH AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT IS THE CENTER OF WHAT IS PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. THE PEOPLE AT HOME ARE FRUSTRATED, MR. COHEN, AND THEY WANT CRIMINAL SCHEMES TO STOP, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM THE OVAL OFFICE. MR. COHEN, I AM UPSET AND KNOW THAT MY RESIDENTS FEEL THE SAME WAY, THAT A MAN YOU WORKED FOR FOR THE PAST TEN CAREERS IS USING THE MOST POWERFUL POSITION IN THE WORLD TO HURT OUR COUNTRY SOLELY FOR PERSONAL GAIN. WE ARE UPSET THAT SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES HERE ARE SO DISCONNECTED OF WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THIS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SENDING CHECKS TO COVER BRIBE PAYMENTS, NOT HUSH PAYMENTS, BRIBE PAYMENTS YOU MADE ON HIS BEHALF. ONE IN 2017 OF MARCH AND ANOTHER AUGUST 2017 AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT. THEY ARE UPSET THAT WHILE MY COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING TO DISCREDIT YOUR TESTIMONY BY SOME OF YOUR OWN UNLAWFUL ACTS AND LIES, THAT THEY ARE DISCONNECTED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU WERE THE PERSONAL LAWYER FOR THIS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT THIS PRESIDENT CHOSE YOU AS HIS LEGAL COUNSEL. MY STANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME, MR. CHAIRMAN, BASED ON THE FACTS, NOT ON FUTURE REPORTS THAT WE ARE ALL WAITING ON. MY RESIDENTS BACK HOME DON’T NEED A COLLUSION CAUSE WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO KNOW THIS PRESIDENT, INDIVIDUAL ONE, HAS DISREGARDED THE LAW OF THE LAND, THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, AND THAT HE HAS MISUSED HIS PARDON POWERS. IN THE SENTENCING MEMO, MR. COHEN FILED BY THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR THEY STATED, QUOTE, IN PARTICULAR AND AS COHEN HIMSELF HAS NOW ADMITTED WITH RESPECT TO BOTH PAYMENTS HE ACTED IN COORDINATION WITH AND AT THE DIRECTION OF INDIVIDUAL ONE. MR. COHEN, AS YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP BRAND COMES FIRST. NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW NOW, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW, IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE USED HIS MONEY, BUSINESSES AND PLATFORM TO ENRICH HIMSELF, HIS BRAND AND IN THE PROCESS DIRECTED YOU, MR. COHEN, TO COMMIT MULTIPLE FELONIES AND YOU’VE COVERED IT UP, CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU CALLED IT PROTECTING HIS BRAND, CORRECT?>>AND HIM AS WELL. >>MR. COHEN, WITH THIS DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS MAKING DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?>>NO, I DON’T. >>ESPECIALLY THOSE YOU SAID THAT HE USED HORRIBLE WORDS ABOUT, LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICANS, MUSLIM AMERICANS AND IMMIGRANTS?>>YES. >>JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A PERSON OF COLOR, A BLACK PERSON, WORKING FOR THEM DOES NOT MEAN THEY AREN’T RACIST, AND IT IS INSENSITIVE THAT SOME WOULD OVEN — THE FACT THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY USE A PROP, A BLACK WOMAN, IN THIS CHAMBER, IN THIS COMMITTEE IS ALONE RACIST IN ITSELF. DONALD TRUMP — >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK THAT HER WORDS BE TAKEN DOWN.>>I RECLAIM MY TIME. >>MR. CHAIRMAN — MR. CHAIRMAN — >>FOR THE — >>MR. CHAIRMAN, THE RULES ARE CLEAR.>>COVER UP AND HOLD ON TO BUSINESS ASSETS TO BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS AND CONSTITUTIONAL CLAUSES. WHAT WE HAVE HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS CRIMINAL CONDUCT AND THE PURSUIT OF THE HIGHEST PUBLIC OFFICE BY MR. COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE. I HOPE THAT THE GRAVITY OF THIS SITUATION HITS EVERYONE IN THIS BODY AND IN CONGRESS AND ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK THAT HER WORDS WHEN SHE’S REFERRING TO AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THIS BODY BE TAKEN DOWN AND STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD. I’M SURE SHE DIDN’T INTEND TO DO THIS, BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS MY RECORD AS IT RELATES, IT SHOULD BE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>HOLD ON. >>I WANT THE WORDS READ BACK. >>NO. NO.>>WE WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID. >>EXCUSE ME. >>ABOUT A COLLEAGUE. >>EXCUSE ME. WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPHRASE THAT STATEMENT, MS. TLAIB?>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I’M ACTUALLY READ IT FROM HERE. JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A PERSON OF COLOR, A BLACK PERSON WORKING FOR THEM DOES NOT MEAN THEY AREN’T RACIST AND IT IS INSENSITIVE THAT SOMEONE WOULD EVEN SAY RACIST — SAY IT AS IS RACIST IN ITSELF AND TO USE A BLACK WOMAN AS A PROP TO PROVE IT OTHERWISE. I CAN SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD. IF A COLLEAGUE IS THINKING THAT THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING — I’M JUST SAYING THAT’S WHAT I BELIEVE TO HAVE HAPPENED AND AS A PERSON OF COLOR IN THIS COMMITTEE THAT’S HOW I FELT AT THAT MOMENT AND I WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT. BUT I AM NOT CALLING THE GENTLEMAN, MR. MEADOWS A RACIST, I’M SAYING IT IS A RACIST ACT. >>I HOPE NOT BECAUSE I NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THIS PARTICULAR — MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MR. MEADOWS, WAIT A MINUTE. >>I HAVE DEFENDED YOU WITH FALSE ACCUSATIONS. >>MR. MEADOWS, I’M THE CHAIR. >>YES, SIR, YOU ARE. >>THANK YOU. I WILL CLEAR THIS UP. NOW, MS. TLAIB, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. YOU DID NOT — YOU WERE NOT INTENDING TO CALL MR. MEADOWS A RACIST, IS THAT RIGHT?>>NO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO NOT CALL MR. MEADOWS A RACIST. >>HOLD ON. >>I AM TRYING AS A PERSON OF COLOR, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO EXPRESS MYSELF AND HOW I FELT AT THAT MOMENT AND SO JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT’S WHAT WAS MY INTENTION. >>ALL RIGHT. MR. MEADOWS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS NOTHING MORE PERSONAL TO ME THAN MY RELATIONSHIP — MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR. NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND TO INDICATE THAT I ASKED SOMEONE WHO IS A PERSONAL FRIEND OF THE TRUMP FAMILY WHO HAS WORKED FOR HIM, WHO KNOWS THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL THAT SHE’S COMING IN TO BE A PROP, IT’S RACIST TO SUGGEST THAT I ASK HER TO COME IN HERE FOR THAT REASON. THE PRESIDENT’S OWN PERSON, SHE’S A FAMILY MEMBER, SHE LOVES THIS FAMILY, SHE CAME IN BECAUSE SHE FELT LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS GETTING FALSELY ACCUSED. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU AND I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP THAT’S NOT BASED ON COLOR AND TO EVEN GO DOWN THIS DIRECTION IS WRONG, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR WHAT YOU HAVE STATED. IF THERE’S ANYONE WHO IS SENSITIVE WITH REGARD TO RACE, IT’S ME. SON OF FORMER SHARE CROPPERS THAT WERE BASICALLY SLAVES. SO I GET IT. I LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY TO MS. TLAIB AND I THINK — AND I DON’T WANT TO — I’M NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH, BUT I THINK SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS NOT CALLING YOU A RACIST, AND I THOUGHT THAT WE COULD CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE, MR. MEADOWS, YOU KNOW OF ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE I’VE SAID IT AND GOT IN TROUBLE FOR IT, THAT YOU ARE ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS. I KNOW THAT SHOCKS A LOT OF PEOPLE. >>AND LIKEWISE, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YEAH, BUT YOU ARE. AND I WOULD — AND I COULD SEE AND FEEL YOUR PAIN. I FEEL IT. AND SO — AND I DON’T THINK MS. TLAIB INTENDED TO CAUSE YOU THAT, THAT KIND OF PAIN AND THAT KIND OF FRUSTRATION. DID YOU SEE A STATEMENT, MS. TLAIB, I’M GOING TO YIELD TO YOU. >>THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION AND I DO APOLOGIZE IF THAT’S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE, BUT I SAID SOMEONE IN GENERAL, AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS IN THIS CHAMBER I’M PRETTY DIRECT SO IF I WANTED TO SAY THAT I WOULD HAVE, BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID, AND, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR ALLOWING ME TO CLARIFY, BUT, AGAIN, I SAID SOMEONE AND, AGAIN, THAT WAS NOT REFERRING TO YOU AT ALL AS A RACIST. >>I THANK THE GENTLEWOMAN FOR HER COMMENTS, I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR WORKING TO CLARIFY THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE CHAIRMAN’S INTERVENING. >>NOW, TO THE GENTLEMAN, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO RESOLVE THAT. THE GENTLEMAN HAD ASKED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER — >>I WILL WITHDRAW MY REQUEST. >>YOU DON’T WANT TO DO THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >>I NEED THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT, BUT I THINK I NEED TO OFFICIALLY WITHDRAW MY REQUEST THAT IT BE STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD. >>WITHDRAW IT?>>I DID. >>SOUNDS GOOD. NOW I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. I THINK YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE RECORD SOME DOCUMENTS. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE PUT FORTH IN THE RECORD THE “VANITY FAIR” ARTICLE WHICH INDICATES THAT MICHAEL COHEN MUST BE THE MOST GIFTED CONSULTANT IN AMERICA, OUTLINING HIS INSIGHTS INTO GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE AND POLICY AND REAL ESTATE, SUGGESTING THAT HE’S NOT — IT’S NOT A REAL COMPANY, BUT — AND JUST LIKE HE’S NOT A LAWYER. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>THANK YOU. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE L.A. TIMES ARTICLE OF JULY 16th, 2018, ACTUALLY BE PUT IN THE RECORD WHICH OUTLINES THE $1.2 MILLION PAYMENT AND THEIR MISGIVINGS THEREAFTER. >>ANY OTHER UNANIMOUS CONSENTS?>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE FEBRUARY 9th, 2019, “WASHINGTON POST” PROFILE OF MICHAEL COHEN TITLED “MICHAEL COHEN’S SECRET AGENDA” PART OF THE RECORD. IT SHOWS HIM TO BE A SELFISH MANIPULATOR WHO IS ALL ABOUT HIMSELF, IT EVEN HAS A FALSE ANECDOTE OF HOW HE ONCE CLAIMED TO DELIVER HIS OWN BABY. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE MAY 9th, 2018, “WASHINGTON POST” ARTICLE “SOUTH KOREAN FIRM PAID MICHAEL COHEN $150,000 AS IT SOUGHT CONTRACT FROM U.S. GOVERNMENT” AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE ARTICLE REPORTED KOREA AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES PAID A SHELL COMPANY RUN BY COHEN. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE MICHAEL COHEN’S SENTENCING STATEMENT TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PART OF THE RECORD. THE STATEMENT ESTABLISHES THAT MICHAEL COHEN CONTINUES TO FALSELY BLAME HIS CRIMES ON BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT BUT ONLY COHEN IS TO BLAME FOR HIS MANY FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND THE IRS. >>SO ORDERED. >>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE CNN ARTICLE “FED SCRUTINIZING MICHAEL COHEN’S FORMER ACCOUNTANT AND BANK LOANS” PART OF THE RECORD. COHEN’S ACCOUNTANT WAS SUBPOENAED TO APPEAR BEFORE A GRAND JURY AND REQUIRED A LAWYER. IN HIS SENTENCING MEMO PROSECUTORS SAID COHEN ATTEMPTED TO BLAME HIS TAX EVASION ON HIS ACCOUNTANT. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>TWO MORE REAL QUICKLY. >>SURE. >>ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE FAEB 26, 2019 ORDER REGARDING DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDINGS AGAINST MICHAEL COHEN PART OF THE RECORD. THIS ORDER WHICH PROACTIVELY APPLIES STARTING FEBRUARY 28th ESTABLISHES COHEN COMMITTED A SERIOUS CRIME AND CEASED BEING AN ATTORNEY WHEN HE WAS CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>AND FINALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE JULY 26, 2018 “WASHINGTON POST” ARTICLE “MICHAEL COHEN SECRETLY RECORDED TRUMP, DOES THAT MAKE HIM A BAD LAWYER” PART OF THE RECORD. THE ARTICLE DESCRIBES POTENTIAL ETHICAL VIOLATIONS OF A LAWYER, COHEN, RECORDING HIS CLIENT, TRUMP, WITHOUT THE CLIENT’S KNOWLEDGE. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. MR. NORMAN. >>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE JANUARY 18, 2019, HUFFINGTON POST ARTICLE 11 TWEETS FROM THE FAKE FAN ACCOUNT STUD MICHAEL COHEN PAID TO FAWN OVER HIM PART OF THE RECORD. THE ACCOUNT IS DESCRIBED AS A PLACE FOR WOMEN WHO LOVE AND SUPPORT MICHAEL COHEN. STRONG PITBULL, SEX SYMBOL, NO NONSENSE. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. MR. ROY. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE APRIL 20th, 2018 ARTICLE IN MOTHER JONES TITLED “MICHAEL COHEN SAYS HE HAS NEVER BEEN TO PRAG, HE TOLD ME A DIFFERENT STORY” PART OF THE RECORD. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED.>>THANK YOU, SIR.>>IS THAT IT? VERY WELL. MR. COHEN, I HAVE SOME CONCLUDING REMARKS, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY?>>YES. YE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD. I HAVE SOME CLOSING REMARKS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MYSELF. IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME?>>YOU CAN DO IT NOW. >>THANK YOU. SO TRS I WANT TO THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME FINAL THOUGHTS. I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED I HAVE MADE MY OWN MISTAKES AND I HAVE OWNED UP TO THEM PUBLICLY AND UNDER OATH, BUT SILENCE AND COMPLICITY IN THE FACE OF THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR BASIC NORMS AND CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER WILL NOT BE ONE OF THEM. I DID THINGS AND I ACTED IMPROPERLY, AT TIMES AT MR. TRUMP’S BEHEST. I BLINDLY FOLLOWED HIS DEMANDS. MY LOYALTY TO MR. TRUMP HAS COST ME EVERYTHING, MY FAMILY’S HAPPINESS, FRIENDSHIPS, MY LAW LICENSE, MY COMPANY, MY LIVELIHOOD, MY HONOR, MY REPUTATION AND SOON MY FREEDOM. AND I WILL NOT SIT BACK, SAY NOTHING, AND ALLOW HIM TO DO THE SAME TO THE COUNTRY. INDEED GIVEN MY EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR MR. TRUMP I FEAR THAT IF HE LOSES THE ELECTION IN 2020 THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER, AND THIS IS WHY I AGREED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TODAY. IN CLOSING, I’D LIKE TO SAY DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE HONOR OUR VETERANS EVEN IN THE RAIN, YOU TELL THE TRUTH EVEN WHEN IT DOESN’T ENGRADISE YOU, YOU RESPECT THE LAW AND INCREDIBLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS, YOU DON’T VIL NIEZ THEM, YOU DON’T DISPARAGE GENERALS, GOLD STAR FAMILIES, PRISONERS OF WAR AND OTHER HEROES WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. YOU DON’T ATTACK THE MEDIA AND THOSE WHO QUESTION WHAT YOU DON’T LIKE OR WHAT YOU DON’T WANT THEM TO SAY AND YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN DIRTY DEEDS. YOU DON’T USE YOUR POWER OF YOUR BULLY PULPIT TO DESTROY THE CREDIBILITY OF THOSE WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YOU. YOU DON’T SEPARATE FAMILIES FROM ONE ANOTHER OR DEMONIZE THOSE LOOKING TO AMERICA FOR A BETTER LIFE. YOU DON’T VILIFY PEOPLE BASED ON THE GOD THEY PRAY TO AND YOU DON’T CUDDLE UP TO OUR ADVERSARIES AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR ALLIES. FINALLY, YOU DON’T SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR’S JUST SO SIMPLY APIECE YOUR BASE. THIS BEHAVIOR DENIGRATES THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT AND IT’S SIMPLY UNAMERICAN. AND IT’S NOT YOU. SO TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS RHETORIC AS I ONCE DID, I PRAY THE COUNTRY DOESN’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE OR PAY THE HEAVY PRICE THAT MY FAMILY AND I ARE PAYING, AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS ADDITIONAL TIME, CHAIRMAN. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE RANKING MEMBER HAS A CLOSING STATEMENT. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE KNOW MR. COHEN HAS BEEN DISHONEST IN THE PAST, THAT’S WHY HE’S GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS, BUT THERE ARE THINGS TODAY THAT HE SAID DURING THE SEVERAL HOURS OF QUESTIONING THAT JUST DON’T ADD UP, EITHER. HE SAID HE NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK, WHEN HE WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION QUESTIONING FROM MR. COMER, OBVIOUSLY THAT’S NOT TRUE BECAUSE HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR THAT VERY OFFENSE. HE SAID TODAY HE WAS A GOOD LAWYER WHO UNDERSTOOD THE NEED TO REPRESENT HIS CLIENT, HIS CLIENT WITH LEGAL ADVICE. BUT IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY HE SAID HE NEVER BOTHERED TO CONSIDER WHETHER PAYMENTS TO WOMEN FOR IMPROPER — WHETHER PAYMENTS TO WOMEN WERE IMPROPER, MUCH LESS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. HE ATTESTED IN HIS SIGNED TRUTH AND TESTIMONY FORM THAT HE DID NOT HAVE ANY REPORTABLE CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. EARLIER HE ADMITTED TO HAVING CONSULTING AGREEMENTS WITH AT LEAST TWO FOREIGN ENTITIES OWNED IN PART BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, BTA BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN AND KOREA AIR SPACE INDUSTRIES OF SOUTH KOREA. HE SAID TO CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED HIM AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION CFO ALLEN WEISSELBERG TO, QUOTE, GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE $130,000 PAYMENT, BUT IN HIS TESTIMONY HE SAYS MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CAMPAIGN. AND IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT HIM PAYING TO SET UP THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT, @WOMENFORCOHEN THAT HE DIDN’T DIRECT THE COMMISSION OF THAT TWITTER ACCOUNT. HE SAID I DIDN’T SET THAT UP AND IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WORKS FOR THE FIRM WHEN, IN FACT, HE DID ASK THE I.T. FIRM RED FINCH TO SET IT UP ACCORDING TO THE OWNER OF RED FINCH. FINALLY, HE SAID HE DIDN’T WANT A JOB WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, EVEN THOUGH THE ATTORNEYS WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK STATED THAT THIS WAS A FACT WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS THEY SAID I WOULDN’T CALL THEM LIARS, BUT THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING TODAY. MR. MEADOWS AND I SENT YOU A LETTER ASKING YOU TO HAVE MR. ROSENSTEIN HERE. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT LAST WEEK WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THAT MR. COHEN WAS COMING THIS WEEK, JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE VERY SAME WEEK THAT WE LEARNED THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES WAS THINKING ABOUT WEARING A WIRE TO RECORD THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. WAS ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATING TALKING TO CABINET MEMBERS AND INVOKING THE 25th AMENDMENT. THAT’S WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON, NOT THIS SAD DISPLAY WE HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS. AND, AGAIN, IT’S NOT MY WORDS, YOU CAN TAKE THE WORDS OF THE FORMER GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES UNDER TIP O’NEILL. SO I HOPE WE’VE LEARNED SOME THINGS HERE TODAY, BUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS I SAID EARLIER, YOUR FIRST BIG HEARING, THE FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS OF THE 116th CONGRESS IS A GENTLEMAN WHO IS GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. YIELD BACK. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU KNOW, I’VE SAT HERE AND I’VE LISTENED TO ALL OF THIS AND IT’S VERY PAINFUL. IT’S VERY PAINFUL. YOU MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES, MR. COHEN, AND YOU’VE ADMITTED THAT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SADDEST PARTS OF THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT SOME VERY INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE HURTING, TOO, AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THAT’S YOUR FAMILY. SO YOU COME HERE TODAY AND YOU — DEEP IN MY HEART, YOU KNOW, WHEN I PRACTICED LAW I REPRESENTED A LOT OF LAWYERS WHO GOT IN TROUBLE, AND YOU’VE COME SAYING I HAVE MADE MY MISTAKES, BUT NOW I WANT TO CHANGE MY LIFE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE — IF WE AS A NATION DID NOT GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THEY MADE MISTAKES TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD NOT DO VERY WELL. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU GO FROM HERE. AS I SAT HERE AND I LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES, I JUST FELT AS IF — AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOW USING MY WORDS THAT THEY TOOK FROM ME THAT DIDN’T GIVE ME ANY CREDIT, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. WE ARE SO MUCH — WE REALLY ARE, AS A COUNTRY WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS. YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU — AND FOR SOME REASON, MR. COHEN, I TELL MY CHILDREN, I SAY WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU DO NOT ASK THE QUESTION WHY DID IT HAPPEN TO ME, ASK THE QUESTION WHY DID IT HAPPEN FOR ME. I DON’T KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING FOR YOU, BUT IT IS MY HOPE THAT A SMALL PART OF IT IS FOR OUR COUNTRY TO BE BETTER. IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU’RE CRYING OUT FOR A NEW NORMAL, FOR US GETTING BACK TO NORMAL. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEMOCRACY STAYS INTACT. THE ONE MEETING I HAD WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP I SAID TO HIM, THE GREATEST GIFT THAT YOU AND I, MR. PRESIDENT, CAN GIVE TO OUR CHILDREN IS MAKING SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM A DEMOCRACY THAT IS INTACT. A DEMOCRACY BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT WE CAME UPON. AND I’M HOPING THAT THE THINGS YOU’VE SAID TODAY WILL HELP US BEGIN TO GET BACK THERE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COME ON NOW, I MEAN, WHEN YOU’VE GOT — ACCORDING TO THE “WASHINGTON POST” — OUR PRESIDENT HAS MADE AT LEAST 8,718 — 8,718 FALSE OR MISLEADING STATEMENTS. THAT’S STUNNING. THAT’S NOT WHAT WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN. I DON’T TEACH MINE THAT. AND FOR WHATEVER REASON IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. AND SOME KIND OF WAY I HOPE THAT YOU WILL — I KNOW THAT IT’S PAINFUL GOING TO PRISON, I KNOW — I KNOW IT’S GOT TO BE PAINFUL BEING CALLED A RAT. LET ME EXPLAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT, BUT I LIVE IN THE INNER CITY OF BALTIMORE. ALL RIGHT? AND WHEN YOU CALL SOMEBODY A RAT, THAT’S ONE OF THE WORST THINGS YOU CAN CALL THEM BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO TO PRISON THAT MEANS A SNITCH. I’M JUST SAYING. AND SO THE PRESIDENT CALLED YOU A RAT. WE’RE BETTER THAN THAT. WE REALLY ARE. AND I’M HOPING THAT ALL OF US CAN GET BACK TO THIS DEMOCRACY THAT WE WANT AND THAT WE SHOULD BE PASSING ON TO OUR CHILDREN SO THAT THEY CAN DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE DID. AND SO YOU WONDER WHETHER PEOPLE BELIEVE YOU. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER THEY BELIEVE YOU, BUT THE FACT IS THAT YOU’VE COME, YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD DOWN AND THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO. LET ME TELL YOU THE PICTURE THAT REALLY, REALLY PAINED ME, YOU WERE LEAVING THE PRISON — YOU WERE LEAVING THE COURTHOUSE AND I GUESS IT’S YOUR DAUGHTER HAD BRACES OR SOMETHING ON. MAN, THAT THING — MAN, THAT THING HURT ME. AS A FATHER OF TWO DAUGHTERS, IT HURT ME. AND I CAN IMAGINE HOW IT MUST FEEL FOR YOU, BUT I’M JUST SAYING TO YOU I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN HARD, I KNOW THAT YOU FACED A LOT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, BUT THIS IS A PART OF YOUR DESTINY AND HOPEFULLY THIS PORTION OF YOUR DESTINY WILL LEAD TO A BETTER — A BETTER — A BETTER MICHAEL COHEN, A BETTER DONALD TRUMP, A BETTER UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND A BETTER WORLD. AND I MEAN THAT FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY HEART. WHEN WE ARE DANCING WITH THE ANGELS THE QUESTION WILL BE ASKED, IN 2019 WHAT DID WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE KEPT OUR DEMOCRACY INTACT? DID WE STAND ON THE SIDELINES AND SAY NOTHING? DID WE — AND I’M TIRED OF THESE STATEMENTS SAYING — PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND SAY, OH, THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING. IT IS NOT THE FIRST HEARING. THE FIRST HEARING WAS WITH REGARD TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. REMEMBER A LITTLE GIRL — A LADY SAT THERE, HER DAUGHTER DIED BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT GET $333 A MONTH IN INSULIN. THAT WAS OUR FIRST HEARING. SECOND HEARING, HR-1, VOTING RIGHTS, CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT. COME ON, NOW. WE CAN DO MORE THAN ONE THING AND WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK TO NORMAL. WITH THAT THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

Danny Hutson

53 thoughts on “LIVE: Michael Cohen testifies before House Oversight Cmte (C-SPAN)

  1. This simply is not normal..let's not get used to this..it should never happen again under ANY other president, which is why Mr. Trump should get LOADS attention when he exits Washington..attention of the legal kind.

  2. I don't think that we are giving AOC enough credit for what she has done.

    She got him Capon style
    She got his cronies names on the record
    She is forcing his tax records out
    She was so calm and respectful in doing so

    Like her or not how can you not respect her for this?

  3. So Mark Green you attack Cohen for his dishonesty and lack of character. Question, why would Donald Trump have an attorney who was dishonest and lacked character? Would that be because he lived a sleazy life and needed a sleazy person to help handle his ugly life?

  4. Not one republican defended Donald Trump or the allegations against him. Not one. All they did was try to badger the witness. The Republican Party died today. They are no longer a real party; just a group of corrupt donors with puppets they get elected to congress. That has to end today.

  5. "The American people have more important things to do than to watch this!"
    ….said as I eat popcorn and lean forward to catch every single word of this hearing. This thing is better than a movie.

  6. Cummings appears to have violated campaign finance law by having a donor co-sign a loan that supplied $15,000 for his first House campaign, attorneys knowledgeable about that law say. (Source Washington Post) and this man presides over this hearing? Yeah, so much corruption we seem to expect it from our politicians.

  7. Please do some research, see where these Democrats stood when it was Clinton lying and breaking the law. We have become way too partisan it's sad to watch.

  8. Trump is under 18 criminal investigations because of EVIDENCE of tax fraud, insurance fraud, bank fraud, abuse of power, obstruction of justice, perjury, possibly working with a foreign power to influence an election, election finance fraud, etc. And republicans have no defense of any of it except to say "hey whataboutism!" or "hey look over there!" That is what is sad. They are letting Trump destroy their party. They are now the party of crooks and liars. No one believes them anymore. And we need more than one party in this country, but a criminal party is not going to suffice. A new party must rise from the GOP ashes that is not made up of hired criminal guns.

  9. "I believe that if he loses the election, there will not be a peaceful transition of power."
    He's literally saying that it is his opinion that Trump needs to be removed from office while we can. He ain't leaving.

  10. I’m curious, Meadows asked for remarks referring to a counsel member to be stricken from the record (referring to the rules stating that comments made about a counsel member are not allowed?), but when Rep. Jordan does that during his opening testimony directed at Cummings it’s allowed? 34:00 serious question

  11. Jim Jordan clearly seems to have trouble finding his coats in the morning. It is rather sad to see a man suffer such a severe case of SBS (Spineless Back Syndrome) while others in his party as well as corporate Democrats exhibit clear signs of SAD (Science Aversion Disorder). Maybe Jordan left his jacket inside Trump's rectum when he came out of it this morning. Let's help these poor sods out and retire them so they can get they help they so desperately need. Term limits and the abolition of the electoral college would help as well.

  12. our U.S.President SHOULD b sum1 who we ALL respectfully follow, with PRIDE! 💯 sum1 who stands for honor & unity. 💯 sum1 who lifts ppls hopes & makes every1 luv 1another justa lil more. 💯. . . . but ppl don't wanna follow Trump for reasons of good values. 🚫💙 they relate to him for the hate he holds. 🚫💙 ♠ Hate unites them – America CAN do better! 💓🌎✌ #LetsBeBetter

  13. iv already seen this entire thing 🙄 i just wanted to click in here & see the comments n junk 👌😉👍

  14. Cohen has already been given a 3 months sentence. this hearing is NOT him trying to get his sentence reduced. he's just a man who no longer has a reason to hide anything anymore & he's sick of all the bullsh!t❗ they got no right trying to make sure his life is ruined 4ever. them saying that he CANT come out with another book, is just plain WRONG❗ im sure a book, explaining the situation thru HIS eyes, is sumthing his readers would expect of him. they need to focus on the matter at hand. Cohen is throwing himself at the mercy of the NATION, practically down on his knees, 🙏 PRAYING that no1else falls victim to the trap that has lead him, & so many others, where they r 2day… he knows he aint gonna getta pardon, or any praise for remaining to stay loyal to sum1 like that… aint no1else gonna say anything, cuz they got their position of employment that they dont wanna risk losing. but Cohen's got NOTHING to lose.. he's also got nothing to gain.. he's just doing this cuz its morally the RIGHT thing to do❗

  15. I think a lot of people commenting on here is forgetting about all of the collaborating evidence Cohen has even in federal courts that get bad guys to flip on their bosses and that's who they use for Witnesses of course nobody believes a pathological liar but when they have actual evidence to prove what they are saying is true that has to be looked at not just taking the word of a pathological liar

  16. This is a scathing indictment on Trump but everything that Wasserman Shultz said was completely pointless. Just saying

  17. No I trusted you say homie I just don't trust that Republican or Republicans going to tell the truth about what really happens so and the Republicans are a bunch of Nazi bastards amen

  18. I wish the dems would quit saying it is the presidents fault that Cohen is going to prison!!!!!! Michael Cohen is the cause of his own prison time!!!!!!!!! Booohooo….poor Cohen…..pffft!!! He did it to himself it's not the president's fault he is where he is!!! The president did NOT direct him not to pay his own taxes!! I am not on either side but I am not going to feel sorry for Cohen who put himself in the situation of him going to prison!!!!

  19. No one is looking for the truth, this is all an agenda play for both sides. The hearing is a complete mockery of order and professionalism on BOTH sides.

  20. After the US Civil War, a lot of southern Congressmen lost their jobs because they refused to uphold the US Constitution or do what was in the best interests of our Union. Because of technology we can see and hear that the same thing is happening today. Cohen was very brave to stand up for himself and expose his family to possible harm from a sitting President. Just think what Cohen could have done if he'd had a higher calling than greed and protecting Individual 1 and the Family at all costs. RICO right about now.

  21. Uniform Code Of Military Justice after a member has been released from service; no longer applies. A Citizen can express his freedoms both negative and positive about his or her past treatments while in military service; so lets hear and focus. mala prohibita

  22. Trump is a racist a con-man and a cheat.
    I mean come on people trump said he grabs pussy because he’s rich and he has a wife,
    What a creep.
    It’s nice to see a black chairman

  23. Trump is a sick ugly man who lies to Americans for his sick game,
    You can’t trust a orange color guy, he’s not white he’s orange.
    This is funny what is the world coming to,
    Shit I might just run for office,
    I’m thinking about bringing back the homestead act so the people can access free land.

  24. 🤣 you actually had me Rollin’ with that “Eälar-as-Logocentrism” way of viewing this broadcasted Committee hearing #JestersOnBET #Disembodiment #HouselessnessOfSpirit

  25. I can tell which ones are the Republicans and which ones are the Democrats without seeing the screen! Democrats use their indoor voices and make sense.

  26. Michael Cohen had me in tears with his honesty, remorse, and I thank him for coming forward and realizing that lying mfer #45 was using him. His testimony about #45 is drawdropping, and he did collude with Russia, Don Jr. was being used to by his own dad and he going to jail too
    I hope they lock that bitch Ivanka up too, Eric irrelevant too and I believe Melania didn't have anything to do with nothing.

  27. a very interesting episode, but I would like to say that anyone who dealt with real estate in new york had to deal with the mob plus new york has been crooked since the Irish ruled Tammany hall,POTUS Trump must have had to mix with some of the most aggressive enforcers in the world ,and these guys play hardball. but to use this guy as a witness is a terrible mistake showing how fragile and weak the case against Trump is, Trump is a hard nose self-made man and to be so nieve as to think he is as pure as the driven snow, is not to be gaurenteed

  28. Jim Jordan is a sneaky lil Russian operative, I wonder who is giving him the questions to ask Cohen and Mueller as he races between rooms.

  29. What happened to that 16 Billion Dollars that suppose to have went for Baltimore last year? That needs to be investigated.

  30. TRUMP WILL ONLY WIN RE-ELECTION WITH THE HELP OF FOREIGN COUNTRIES ATTACKING OUR ELECTORAL COLLEGE. NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE TESTIMONY OF COHEN, GATES, FLYNN, KILIMNICK, PAPADOPOULOS, MANAFORT, PINEDO, VAN der ZWANN & the pending trial of ROGER STONE BUT BECAUSE TRUMP IS GUILTY OF TREASON, MONEY LAUNDERING & FRAUD AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHI KNOWS THIS & SUPPORTED HIM KNOW THAT & ARE NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS MEMBERS NOT GOING FOR RE-ELECTION

  31. "The Original Clinton Chronicles" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGW033-82c A documentary about the Bill & Hillary Clinton COCAINE CARTEL, the witnesses they murdered (which include 5 teenage boys from Arkansas), Bill's cocaine addiction, the Clintons' laundering of drug money, & more. #DemExit #WalkAway

  32. "Hillary Clinton: A Career Criminal" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY Here's a great film for you DUMB FUCK, OBSESSED TRUMP HATERS! Get some common sense and an education. #DemExit #WalkAway

  33. All the Republicans are so very bent out of shape and interrupting him, treating him rudely — damned angry that Cohen is finally telling the truth.

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